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Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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I'm astounded at how frequently people are apparently making breakthroughs in sending raw text between people. I keep thinking that's a mousetrap, and people somehow keep making money off of* better ones. Shows how much I know. * Or at least building huge userbases on...

Consider that many of their installs come from making pretty much any extant handset in the world (a large fraction thereof, including some very old phones running J2ME midlets) all interoperable across national borders and carrier networks. I don't know of any other way that this has ever been available across a such a range of devices and people. Add to that, zero sign up, account creation, entering server configurations, etc. There was considerable room for improvement on the status quo here, that's what they're built on.

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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I'm trying to find an explanation for how WhatsApp's network is supposedly worth drastically more than Gmail / Yahoo / Hotmail webmail is. Just because users connect, doesn't mean you have a pot of gold. I believe this is a critical, flawed assumption that is being nearly universally made. Last generation's instant messaging apps were nearly worthless monetarily, and are still nearly worthless even today with tons of…

People do pay for WhatsApp - the article says $1/yr although I think I paid 69p for life (approx $1) for the iphone app. If they get 1bn people paying $1 then that's a decent income. I was reluctant to pay - I'm tight like that - but I had to because my friends were on it and wanted to communicate. Though I note people are moving to Viber to some extent which is similar but free.

1bn people * $1 is a decent income? Bearing in mind that is an optimistic figure and FB paid 16 times that...

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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So I understand the value of WhatsApp now that the network is absolutely enormous, but can anyone shed some light on how WhatsApp differentiated itself at first? It seems like it's just basic user-to-user messaging over data, with a list-like interface that looks like every messaging app on my phone. How did they convince people that this particular proprietary solution was the best? Did they somehow remove friction…

My friends always tell me to use WhatsApp because "it's free SMS". No it isn't! It's just a new ICQ, or whatever.

At first I thought it were a service that integrated with normal SMS, that would communicate via SMS when you had no connection and via data when you had, and the message would always reach the target. That would have been a good app, I think.

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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post #67

The nmbers are actually irrelevant. The key thing is that Whatsapp has the potential to become a rival to Facebook (or be acquired by some company that seeks to compete with Facebook). Facebook needs to avoid that at all costs, so is prepared to pay whatever it takes to acquire potential rivals, thus removing the threat. See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7267516

How is Whatsapp even remotely the same thing as Facebook? Were SMS ever considered to be a rival to Facebook?

It's not but it could be. All Whatsapp would have to do is expand the functionality of their app to include more social networking features.

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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Just for good measure................ Activison-Blizzard – $13.9B Alcoa – $12.2B American Airlines – $12.3B Akamai – $10.9B AmerisourceBergen – $15.9 Blackstone Group – $17.8B Campbell Soup – $13.6 Chesapeake Energy – $17.2B Chipotle – $17.1B Citrix Systems – $10.7B Coach – $13.5B Consolidated Edison (ConEd) – $16.2B Discovery Communicatons – $19.1B Dr. Pepper Snapple Group – $10.2B Expedia -$10.2B The Gap – $19B Fid…

I have no idea if WhatsApp made sense financially, but you should be using enterprise values, not market caps because market caps do not consider the debt needed to run those companies.

(EV) Enterprise Value = Debt + Market Cap in Equity

For example, the first company on the list, Activision has an EV of about $22 bn. Nearly double its market cap.

Alcoa is $19bn...

Your point is still really valid, I was just pointing out the difference.

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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Tragedy of the commons. Anything free will be overused. FB is paying $X per user for an overused product. Once they try to monetize (ads, higher fees, user tracking), it will quickly become underused.

Just like how they killed the Instagram goose right?

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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post #39

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I guess I still don't get it. I can send images and group chat via SMS. Does this really do anything any different? I'm not asking just to be contrarian -- I'm just wondering if I should try it out and try to convince my friends to do the same.

- Unlimited SMS plans are less common than unlimited data plans in Europe. - You can not do group chat via SMS. You send a SMS to multiple people, but they will only see your number and can't reply to the group (unless I am missing something). I feels more like chat room for your friend group or family. - In Europe mobile phone providers have historically tried to rip off people with MMS, which may be a reason why th…

Both the iPhone and recent Android phones support group SMS. The package is actually sent as an MMS containing the message and list of recipients, that allows you to "reply to all" via SMS.

Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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Just for good measure................ Activison-Blizzard – $13.9B Alcoa – $12.2B American Airlines – $12.3B Akamai – $10.9B AmerisourceBergen – $15.9 Blackstone Group – $17.8B Campbell Soup – $13.6 Chesapeake Energy – $17.2B Chipotle – $17.1B Citrix Systems – $10.7B Coach – $13.5B Consolidated Edison (ConEd) – $16.2B Discovery Communicatons – $19.1B Dr. Pepper Snapple Group – $10.2B Expedia -$10.2B The Gap – $19B Fid…

That list is restricted to companies at a similar capitalization to "WhatsApp". In contrast, Ford Motor Company is valued at 60 billion (about 3-4 times more than "WhatsApp"). I would suggest quite plainly that the trademark "Ford Motor Company" alone is worth more than the every part of the "WhatsApp" enterprise combined, including whatever technology they may have created, if any. Obviously the investment banking r…

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Re: Numbers That Explain Why Facebook Acquired WhatsApp

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Just for good measure................ Activison-Blizzard – $13.9B Alcoa – $12.2B American Airlines – $12.3B Akamai – $10.9B AmerisourceBergen – $15.9 Blackstone Group – $17.8B Campbell Soup – $13.6 Chesapeake Energy – $17.2B Chipotle – $17.1B Citrix Systems – $10.7B Coach – $13.5B Consolidated Edison (ConEd) – $16.2B Discovery Communicatons – $19.1B Dr. Pepper Snapple Group – $10.2B Expedia -$10.2B The Gap – $19B Fid…

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