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Re: AI

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post #86

If anyone is interested in AI, I highly recommend joining Less Wrong, a community started by AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky. He started the community to convince people to focus on the "friendly AI problem". [1] I actually recommend that everyone read LW, but especially if you're interested in AI. [1] In a nutshell, the friendly AI problem is: assume we create an AI. It may rapidly become more intelligent than us, i…

> friendly AI problem

nooo, please!! not any more of this kurzweil crap. guys wake up! This world is not some asimov sci-fi story.

friendly ai

I always get a headache when I read that term online. ppl seem to go crazy about the machines taking over earth idea but this whole debate is so utterly useless! If all the effort fapping to conscious AI and friendly AI would be put into concrete ai research (agi as well as applied ai) we would get to a reasonable point so much sooner...

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#232
post #10

Critically speaking, this article doesn't add anything. I don't know why I read it. Can anyone explain why they upvoted?

It's nice to hear smart people talk about important topics in a down-to-earth fashion. This is why I upvoted.

smart - nope. pretentious guesswork and attention whoring is what is going on here

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#233

Humans have a drive, a raison d'etre, intelligence being only a mean to fulfill that drive. Thing is that drive is uncertain/subjective. Learning can't be an objective by itself, intelligence is just a tool, from that perspective you can say there are already AI, like targeted ads, it learns about you and acts accordingly. So to have a "generalist" AI, like human's intelligence is general, you'd have to have an objec…

No, it's not. Drive is the desire to maximise future available options (e.g. to not get trapped). There is already software that decides what to do without a human telling it what to do. For more see http://www.ted.com/talks/alex_wissner_gross_a_new_equation_f...

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#234
post #83

Dear HN users: If you are even minimally interested in the topics that this post "covers", please, do yourselves a favour and open up any book about machine intelligence instead of reading such uninformed and negligent posts. I urge you to, seriously.

wow, I have to go all the way down to find the first person serious about the topic. That's why I love my academic surroundings, all the fantasizing video game fanboys are sorted out in the beginning and what's left are serious researchers really devoted to solving the riddles intelligence imposes..

Re: AI

#235
post #86

If anyone is interested in AI, I highly recommend joining Less Wrong, a community started by AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky. He started the community to convince people to focus on the "friendly AI problem". [1] I actually recommend that everyone read LW, but especially if you're interested in AI. [1] In a nutshell, the friendly AI problem is: assume we create an AI. It may rapidly become more intelligent than us, i…

> we'd better figure THAT out before building AI. Why don't we just give that task to the AI? It'll be smarter than us... Maybe the problem is that people are too easy to understand: We want "Brave New World", but we don't want to know about it, or that we want it.

Oy! Plenty of us don't want Brave New World at all. That World State sucked.

(If we're going all LW on this thread: http://lesswrong.com/lw/xt/interpersonal_entanglement/)

>Sure, it sounds silly. But if your grand vision of the future isn't at least as much fun as a volcano lair with catpersons of the appropriate gender, you should just go with that instead. This rules out a surprising number of proposals.

Re: AI

#236
post #86

If anyone is interested in AI, I highly recommend joining Less Wrong, a community started by AI researcher Eliezer Yudkowsky. He started the community to convince people to focus on the "friendly AI problem". [1] I actually recommend that everyone read LW, but especially if you're interested in AI. [1] In a nutshell, the friendly AI problem is: assume we create an AI. It may rapidly become more intelligent than us, i…

Any suggestions for getting started in the LW community? Its barrier to entry means I can't seem to vote on anything, etc. It's quite intimidating really.

I'll reiterate something another poster said, since it isnt' getting enough credit:

Read HP:MoR.

It's a fanfic of Harry Potter, written by the same Eliezer Yudkowsky who wrote much of Less Wrong. It was specifically written to convey the feeling of "what it means to be a rationalist".

For those who aren't into Harry Potter or into Fanfiction (like me), I can tell you this: Suprisingly, it is one of the best stories I've ever read. And I'm talking just as a story, nevermind the other value you can get form it, which is a good introduction to the "rationalist" community.

I'd argue that the BEST way to understand what is going on at LessWrong is to read HP:MoR, as it was intended to be such an intro and succeeds masterfully, while being amazingly fun.

Re: AI

#237

Many people see Artificial General Intelligence as a panacea. The idea is, "We'll create artificially intelligent scientists who will solve all of our other problems for us!". I think that future generations will look back on this as a modern version of alchemy. If blogs had existed centuries ago I'm sure that people would have called the transmutation of metal the most important trend of their time. This isn't to de…

General AI is not only possible, if you are to believe a TED talk it's already a solved problem. We already know how to make programs that determine their own goals and how to accomplish them. If it's true, http://www.ted.com/talks/alex_wissner_gross_a_new_equation_f... is the greatest discovery in human history :)

Re: AI

#238
post #170

If the only goal is an 'artificial' consciousness, it might be more prudent to consider a functional definition of what consciousness is and try to build that. We didn't make computers by modeling how individual neurons perform mathematical calculations. On the other hand, if you want to go the biological route, there's some awesome work to be done. If I were to study consciousness, here's the question I would ask: h…

We know a ton about the brain but so little about the mind itself. We still don't have definitive answers to what consciousness is, why it's here, what's useful for, etc. Some people debate whether the mind exists at all. Also, there's still very little understanding of the difference between the conscious and unconscious mind. I think building an artificial consciousness is going too far. Artificial intelligence is…

> We know a ton about the brain but so little about the mind itself. We still don't have definitive answers to what consciousness is, why it's here, what's useful for, etc. Some people debate whether the mind exists at all. Also, there's still very little understanding of the difference between the conscious and unconscious mind.

One of the really, really bad consequences of the Cold War was the scientific divide between East and West. By that I mean serious lack of scientific data exchange between the blocks. The consequences are still felt and this area (the problem of consciousness) is the one that suffered. The problem of "consciousness" was basically solved, at least at a conceptual level, by Soviet psychology and neuropsychology. Here I refer, of course, to the work of Vygotsky and Luria. What is consciousness? Almost nothing at all by itself. Consciousness as found in humans is a consequence of our cognitive development and the advanced symbolic capabilities of humans. The subjective perception we have of the thing we call consciousness is "simply" (it's not really simple when you get into details) a product of humans acquiring language skills (I'm simplifying).

This is not to say the subject is trivial, it takes volumes to describe what is happening, but the thing we informally call "consciousness" is really nothing at all in and of itself, and the perception we have of it is just a result of the very complicated process of cognitive development. Thin air, like Lisp's cons.

If you want to read on it I can recommend Vygotsky's Language and Thought (actually, it's his only book) and Luria's Language and Consciousness (I'm not sure it was ever translated into English, it's a collection of his lecture notes from a university course he did on the subject) or possibly The Cognitive Development: Its Cultural and Social Foundations.

Why this line of thinking is mostly ignored in the West I have no idea. Why do we still cling to metaphysical (even religious I would say) phantasies about "consciousness" is an interesting topic itself. Is it because it's romantic to think there's something special, transcendent, about our minds? Are we really that sentimental? I have some hypotheses, but it's a different topic.

Re: AI

#239
In my opinion true AI must have reasoning skills and be self aware. This brings the disturbing truth: either we never get it to work or we will get it to work and it will destroy us.

Re: AI

#240
post #10

Critically speaking, this article doesn't add anything. I don't know why I read it. Can anyone explain why they upvoted?

Because the title on HN is "AI", which makes it a small click target [1], prone to accidental upvotes. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts's_law

Isn’t Fitt’s law about how long it takes to aim for an element of a certain size at a certain distance? I think this has nothing to do with Fitt’s law.
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