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Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Facebook paid 16B Dollars for 400,000,000 active phone numbers and all the personal info bound to them. It's not the app itself it's the data, you know it well too.

The data wouldn't be there without the app. Plus, it's not the data per se, it's ACTIVE users.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As of today: Smartphones outsold feature phones for this first time ever in India. http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/samsung-smartphones-outse... From my personal experiences, international countries that have smartphone adoption use Viber, and the feature phone countries use WhatsApp.

WhatsApp is also really strong here in Germany and other parts of Europe. More of my friends are on WhatsApp than Facebook (only very few more though).

These numbers are going to drop significantly now. Everyone I talk to is unhappy about the acquisition and will switch to something else like telegram.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Framed another way, it goes to demonstrate the ridiculous price paid for the company. How are the "other 3 billion people" without smartphones going to contribute to Facebook's bottom line? When they don't even have Facebook? That they don't even view ads? And that the cost of switching is practically close to zero, with many other competitive products like WeChat?

It all seems to me that it's just to pad the "total number of active users on Facebook and associated platforms" column during earnings season.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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Let's not forget Symbian and Blackberry either. WhatsApp also runs on those. I don't think starting a new Blackberry, Symbian or J2ME project today is really a good idea, though. It takes at least a few years for a company to make an exit, and by the time you do, those burning platforms will have flamed out.

Symbian has been forgotten about, even by Nokia.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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A comment [1] I made 829 days ago on Whatsapp

Its biggest plus is that it is cross platform. They have apps for Blackberry, Android, iOS and Symbian. So you can talk with almost anybody out there. At least in my home country, most people have Blackberry/Symbian. Imagine having a group conversation with people on different platforms and in different countries.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3231053

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #22
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Background notifications too? I'm surprised - I wrote a Twitter client in 2009, and I couldn't find a way to make that work. I didn't think J2ME could do that at all, to be honest.

Maybe some form of this... ? http://www.javaworld.com/article/2071753/mobile-java/push-me...

Yep, that'd probably be it. You could listen out for SMS (on particular port), TCP and UDP connections if I remember correctly.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #9

The key take away from this article is not to build your app in J2ME but to recognize how big the world is outside of America. American focused startups face lots of competition in a relatively small market.

I'm an American that lives and works in Europe for the last 5 years or so. I'm a programmer, founded a couple of start-ups, etc. There's a few things that I've learned: 1) Europeans respect and value American experience and perspectives in business. 2) American companies do not value overseas experience. 3) California is very isolated. Here in Europe we have a lot of interaction with consultants/etc from the East Coast of the u.s., but California feels very far away and isolated. 4) The VC industry is still pretty primitive here, but the start-up talent is immense. Especially Berlin and Switzerland.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

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post #9

The key take away from this article is not to build your app in J2ME but to recognize how big the world is outside of America. American focused startups face lots of competition in a relatively small market.

Ya.. that is definitely the takeaway. If you address all platforms, your market is suddenly both under served and absolutely huge.

That's the key of Firefox OS. Use well known technology and try to go into these markets.

Re: Your Path to a $16B exit? Build a J2ME App

#40

Let's not forget Symbian and Blackberry either. WhatsApp also runs on those. I don't think starting a new Blackberry, Symbian or J2ME project today is really a good idea, though. It takes at least a few years for a company to make an exit, and by the time you do, those burning platforms will have flamed out.

It absolutely makes sense to work on a J2ME app today if you have a product aimed at developing nations. They won't be swimming in smartphones any time soon.

I can't find the link now, but I remember some discussion of cheap Chinese-made Android phones selling for single-digit numbers of dollars. At the end of the day, it's just like any other piece of electronics. It's not like Android phones are made out of more expensive raw materials than dumbphones. They're just newer. So I think that eventually the third world will be swimming in smartphones-- probably a lot sooner than you think.

Whether or not that impacts your business model depends on what the business model is, of course. I'm sure a few more Symbian apps will be cranked out as retailers blow out their stock of old inventory. Very poor people will probably hold on to old phones for years, as well. But phones do break, and batteries die after a few years, so a decade from now Symbian will be just an obscure memory, like the Acorn Archimedes or the ZX Spectrum.

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