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Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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> in countries with SMS charges The funny thing is that in places like USA, you pay exorbitant amounts (~20 USD per month) for text messaging (when the real cost should be almost 0), yet it's still not caught on here - which is kinda sad.

Not everyone has a smartphone. Many of the people I need to text (especially my parents) have feature phones with no data plans. Having to remember which messaging system you should use for each person is annoying, so most people just use one.

I have a hard time believing that the density of WhatsApp-capable phones is higher across the developing world (where WhatsApp is popular) than in the US.

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I'll admit to a distinct feeling, that I've started to lose touch with pop technology. I've never heard of WhatsApp. Though I had most definitely heard of Hotmail in 1998.

In my experience, it's mostly used as a drop-in replacement for text messaging for - people (especially preteens) with an iPod Touch or iPad Mini but not a smartphone/texting plan - people with internationally distributed friends - Android users who want iMessage functionality (friendly long messages, delivery confirmation, read receipts, sane group conversations, etc)

> people (especially preteens) with an iPod Touch or iPad Mini but not a smartphone/texting plan

If I recall correctly, iOS WhatsApp is iPhone only. It won't run on anything that doesn't have a phone number and can't receive SMS or phone calls (necessary for activating the application).

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It's not really "pop" technology. Surprisingly, it's not used much in the United States, but in India it's basically a replacement for text messaging. Everyone from a 13 year old child to my grand mom uses it to keep in touch with friends and family members across the globe. IMHO, they were able to get to such widespread everyday usage because they such awesome and reliable technology. Much better than what Google ha…

I thought it was the de facto messaging app across the world? Is there any particular reason why it is not used much in US?

Some countries use Line rather than WhatsApp

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Maybe, but they're also entirely speculative. We can only evaluate the price based on the business they have, not imaginary alternate revenue streams.

> We can only evaluate the price based on the business they have, not imaginary alternate revenue streams. I would really like to agree, but given recent valuations that doesn't seem to be the case does it?

Regardless of how insane deals may seem, you can still only evaluate them based on available facts. If you're going to start speculating about fictional future revenue streams, there's no point to even bothering to contemplate if the price makes sense.

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

"We can assume Facebook is paying for the user base" Respectfully, I don't know if that's the right assumption. Facebook has users. A metric shit-ton of them. :) In fact, many of WhatsApp's users are Facebook users, and vice versa. This isn't a user acquisition play. It's a user engagement play. Facebook -- like everyone else in the world -- is well aware that it has an engagement problem. It also has a retention pro…

>WhatsApp is a lot bigger overseas than it is in the US (largely because it's a free alternative to SMS in countries where SMS carries significant charges).

Not nitpicking here, just genuinely curious. What do they charge in US for sms? Here the cheapest package i suppose would be 20,000 SMS per month for $1 per month. I normally use the 1200 SMS per week for 10 cents per week though, as my usage isn't that much.

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Could someone explain to me why WhatsApp is more popular then say Skype or any of the numerous competitors. I looked at it for the first time today. I find the design of the app to be a bit poor, at least on iOS6. Overall it's a good app that functions well, from what I can see. But so does Skype, for instance. Also, the lack of a PC/MAC client is kind of a letdown.

I know it's silly to argue with facts, clearly people really like this app. But could someone explain to me why? I mean, how is it better than Fring, or Skype, or Viber? Or is it just luck? I am curious because if they did something right, I would love know what it was, so I can do it too :)

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Could someone explain to me why WhatsApp is more popular then say Skype or any of the numerous competitors. I looked at it for the first time today. I find the design of the app to be a bit poor, at least on iOS6. Overall it's a good app that functions well, from what I can see. But so does Skype, for instance. Also, the lack of a PC/MAC client is kind of a letdown. I know it's silly to argue with facts, clearly peop…

Don't compare to skype, compare to sms/mms. WhatsApp is free (pretty much), and you can send _photos_ easily and quickly.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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In my experience, it's mostly used as a drop-in replacement for text messaging for - people (especially preteens) with an iPod Touch or iPad Mini but not a smartphone/texting plan - people with internationally distributed friends - Android users who want iMessage functionality (friendly long messages, delivery confirmation, read receipts, sane group conversations, etc)

> people (especially preteens) with an iPod Touch or iPad Mini but not a smartphone/texting plan If I recall correctly, iOS WhatsApp is iPhone only. It won't run on anything that doesn't have a phone number and can't receive SMS or phone calls (necessary for activating the application).

You do not. My brother uses it heavily on his WiFi-only iPad Mini.
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