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Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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By definition, a prenuptial agreement only covers entering into the marriage. Future assets, especially in community property states, usually have to be specifically disclaimed by the other party in the marriage before they can be considered separate property. For example: A prenup can't specify that a house bought after marriage is separate property, but the non-owning spouse can voluntarily sign away rights to that…

>Why would a spouse be no less entitled to reap the rewards generated by the other spouse's start-up? Because just sitting around giving emotional support to someone doesn't entitle you to half of everything they get. It doesn't work that way with any other relationship (parent, friend, etc), so why should a marriage? This is especially true if both partners are working.

I think if you view marriage as "just sitting around," this is not the type of romantic relationship that describes what typical founders likely seek out.

To answer your point more directly, one difference is that a marriage tends to produce children in a way that platonic friendships tend not do. My sense is that equal division of significant income and equity post-marriage will help, not hurt, children.

To answer your point a different way, the default marital property settings tend to work well for most people. Of course you can change those defaults to some extent with prenups, postnups, trusts, and so on. If you're still dissatisfied with your ability to alter those defaults, well, nobody's forcing you at gunpoint to marry someone you like to live with, have sex with, and even raise kids with.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Turned me down in 07' after a handful of phone interviews, flying me across the country, and 8 hours of in person interviews with 3 separate departments... but not before I got their CTO so shitfaced drunk he botched a 2AM code push to production and helped convince Zuckerbergs little sister into riding a mechanical bull. I regret nothing. edit: Worth noting I was a 22 year old self taught programmer that hadn't expe…

They won't hire you but are begging to get more H1b workers...

I'll second this. I recently interviewed at a bunch of companies and couldn't get any offers. The interviews are getting ridiculous - we all know how pointless the coding questions are getting by now. Companies are too picky, in part because there's so much labor supply. I know there are loads of H1Bs around here, SV is like a third-world country.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Turns out false negatives can be pretty costly too, it seems.

This makes a perfect HR case study.

Do you test a person's ability to mug up algorithm puzzles?

Or

Do you test a person's ability to build a $16 billion company?

Sounds like the latter is a more result oriented goal.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Is it his programming capabilities that make him so valuable? Or something else? Can those traits be identified and valued in the hiring process?

I would say that the reason he struck gold (which is different from being valuable) is because he's a good programmer who happened to work on a break away product. There are much more good programmers out there than break away products like WhatsApp. You can't create successes like WhatsApp just by hiring good programmers. There are plenty of great teams that didn't achieve product/market fit and failed. There are pl…

I'm not sure- great programming skills, algorithm knowledge et all still one thing.

The key here is 'gumption'. Raw enthusiasm, high spiritedness and child like courage in approaching ideas and implementing them. To work on projects that kill you. To take routine, crippling failure and weather and grow stronger every time that happens. Most companies have processes to avoid hiring these kind of cowboys. Companies have processes to exactly avoid hiring these kind of people.

You see bulk of these things have nothing to do with skills, or genius or talent. If fact these skills can build other skills.

The problem is most companies check problem solving skills. Do these companies test problem identification skills? Do they check how a person can take failure? Do they measure how hardworking a person is?

If you see it in a way, we don't seem to check the actual skills at all.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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This isn't all that unusual. Most people realize that hiring processes are really random. In some ways just hiring anyone who applies, firing them after 90 days if they don't work out, and keeping track of who has been through once is probably a better system overall. The recent work on how SAT scores don't predict college success is similar. There is a huge amount of influence around 'fit' and environment. Some peop…

> This isn't all that unusual. Most people realize that hiring processes are really random. In some ways just hiring anyone who applies, firing them after 90 days if they don't work out, and keeping track of who has been through once is probably a better system overall. "EMPLOYERS: avoid employing unlucky people by immediately tossing half the CVs in the bin" - Viz top tip.

I'll have to remember that one :-) But on a more serious note, its been interesting to see the different sort of talent location ideas that have emerged. So I person I met a long time a go as a production assistant for the TV series Robotica was trying to come up with a new series and I suggested "American Hacker" where folks would go on the show and compete for a spot at Facebook or something. His comment though was pretty funny which was "That won't work Chuck because too many people are like you and they don't care about being on TV, you really need people who will cut off their own leg if you promise to put them on during prime time." Which was a sad sad commentary.

Things like the Stripe CTF contests are good recruiting tools, hackathons kinda sorta, resume scanning and the 5 - 10 person interview panel? Hard to get repeatable results.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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You're aware Jan, the CEO and other founder, is a Ukrainian immigrant, right?

My point was more that he was here, is good enough to get past all of the phone screens, probably did pretty well in person, but was passed over. My thinking is more that large companies with many open positions might want to consider the person for another position at least.

In 2007 Facebook was not in the club of "large companies with many open positions", just another startup on University Avenue with some series B in the bag.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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It's interesting how neither of the founders fit any of the stereotypical valley founder profiles. They don't look like Mark Zuckerberg, they are older, Brian Acton barely used twitter, and his tech background is more traditional (C, C++, Perl, etc).

Any word on if either were married?

http://techcrunch.com/2014/02/19/facebooks-whatsapp-acquisit...

"I’m 42, essentially married with a kid. I don’t give a shit about this. I’m not sexting with random strangers."

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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They won't hire you but are begging to get more H1b workers...

I'll second this. I recently interviewed at a bunch of companies and couldn't get any offers. The interviews are getting ridiculous - we all know how pointless the coding questions are getting by now. Companies are too picky, in part because there's so much labor supply. I know there are loads of H1Bs around here, SV is like a third-world country.

Startups are picky, large employers are less so. Try Cisco or Intel.

Re: “Facebook turned me down” (2009)

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Turned me down in 07' after a handful of phone interviews, flying me across the country, and 8 hours of in person interviews with 3 separate departments... but not before I got their CTO so shitfaced drunk he botched a 2AM code push to production and helped convince Zuckerbergs little sister into riding a mechanical bull. I regret nothing. edit: Worth noting I was a 22 year old self taught programmer that hadn't expe…

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