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Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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They both seem ridiculous.

no, I can see how Snapchat is unique and fresh. WhatsApp brings nothing new to the table.

To be fair, WhatsApp came wayyy before Snapchat came. WhatsApp is well-established and is charging users (at such a low price). SnapChat is hot. But that being said, 16B for WA is still a ridiculous number to me.

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Or facebook is trying to trivialize and destroy the startup market.

At this rate they can only pull that off a handful of times.

Before this people were comparing their value to snapchat's. This is a very unhealthy market that they're creating.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#103
My uncle in India runs a construction company, and literally every single aspect of company communication is done over WhatsApp. Each construction site has to constantly post pictures on WhatsApp, and basically all management and payroll decisions are made through WhatsApp discussions. Apparently this is not an uncommon practice, as businesses that were once administered by pen and paper are now using WhatsApp to improve efficiency and reach new customers.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#104
For everyone saying this is a waste of money, consider the commentary around Instagram at $1B. Basically the world said that this was a horrible acquisition at the time, but in retrospect, buying Instagram was quite cheap. Buying your closest competitor for less than 15% of your market cap is usually a good idea.

Fast forward to today. What'sapp is the dominant messaging application across the world. Carriers hate it but they can't do anything to stop it. Facebook hates it and no matter how much they improve facebook messenger, they keep falling behind.

This represents a massive existential threat to Facebook's business: engagement. To kill their closest competitor for, again, less than 15% of the company, is a rational decision.

Since Viber and What'sapp have both exited the market, I think it's time for someone to build a new messaging app. There's a lot of room in a once incredibly crowded space.

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$16B for something I've never even heard of. I feel like I'm living under a pile of rocks.

Don't feel bad; no one really uses them in the US (except us foreigners to communicate with friends and family abroad). They are the de-facto messaging service in the rest of the world (except for China).

Definitely. None of my US friends have heard of or use it, but I have a ton of friends abroad and it's the only way we stay in touch.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

Or facebook is trying to trivialize and destroy the startup market.

I'm not sure I'd call the WhatsApp of today a startup.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

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400,000,000 active users [0] 16,000,000,000 USD ---- $40 per user That's an incredible cost. We can assume Facebook is paying for the userbase, the app itself and it's infrastructure would basically run itself. It's less appealing when you realise that there's probably a miniscule fraction of WhatsApp users that don't have a Facebook account. > WhatsApp will remain autonomous and operate independently. You can contin…

I don't think they're buying it per current user. It's either about paying for future users (granted, triple the user base and it's still a lot) or a game of defense against a potential competitor. They bought the photo company at what seemed an outrageous amount in part to co-opt a competitor. In the end it was profitable. They alter their feed to look more Twitter-like, encouraging people to avoid the competitor. I…

> triple the user base and it's still a lot

WhatsApp current has 430M monthly active users[0], compared with FaceBook's 1.2B[1] monthly active users. Tripling their userbase would make them the same size FaceBook is itself.

ED: Corrected as child comments pointed out.

[0]: http://blog.whatsapp.com/index.php/2013/12/400-million-stori... [1]: http://investor.fb.com/releasedetail.cfm?ReleaseID=821954

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#109
Personally I prefer Voxer. The requirement of having a phone number on WhatsApp doesn't work for me. I'm constantly traveling and and using different SIM cards in different countries. I'd rather have a single sign-on that doesn't require having to use any phone number.

Re: Facebook Buying WhatsApp for $16B in Cash and Stock Plus $3B in RSUs

#110
I am speechless....

Even if I apply all my knowledge about valuation, product market fit, historical knowledge and add a glass is half full attitude to this acquisition I can't fathom that evaluation.

Then I think about instagram selling for "only" 1B and it kind of make sense. Kind of...

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