Earlier quoted context omitted.
How long does it take for landlords in the area to realize that there's an extra $500/mo to be had?
Assuming there's more than one landlord they will capture some of the value but not all of it. E.g., they would be incentivized to raise rents $500, but then one of then could get more business by only raising it to $450 letting the employee capture $50 a month, and so on and so forth.
San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
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Re: San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
#42As some quick history, the company is a little over two years old and we were a part of the YC W12 batch. My co-founders and I started the company because we had felt the pain of using existing solutions at our previous startups. We also have family members running small businesses, and we had been exposed first-hand to the frustration of doing payroll manually (which is still how many companies in the US do payroll).
We felt that modern software could make this complex process much simpler. It's been fourteen months since our launch and we're proud to be processing hundreds of millions of dollars in payroll, and serving countless small businesses across the country. I remind the team often that building a great company is a marathon, not a sprint, and we're still at the early stage of our journey. We have much more to do!
During this interview with the WSJ, I talked at length with Debbie about some team programs we put in place. People are the foundation of any great company and the ZenPayroll team is the entire reason we've been able to do what we've done over the past two years.
I wanted to clarify some of the programs she wrote about:
(1) Housing stipend -- the main driver of this perk is actually the desire to have folks live near the office. We would offer this type of program regardless of where our office is located (even if it was in a lower cost area) because we see a big benefit to folks not having to commute. We realize that not everyone can live nearby, and several of our teammates actually live on the Peninsula, East Bay, or other parts of SF. Our inspiration for this perk was the housing stipend Facebook provided it's employees early on, when they were located in downtown Palo Alto.
(2) Flight at one-year anniversary -- it’s easy in startup life to become caught up in the day to day. We’ve always found it rewarding to travel because it gives everyone perspective, and taking a step back can help people better understand what’s important to them, which makes them a better teammate as well. We put the two-year expiration in place as a specific restriction so teammates have to do a trip during that year. They don’t have to go of course, but we do everything we can to encourage them to do it.
(3) Workation -- similar to #2 above, we’ve found that changing our environment helps us think about things differently. Many other startups do similar types of retreats, and we’ve really enjoyed going away as a team for 5-6 days and working on smaller cross-functional projects that can be completed during the workation. It’s also a team bonding event, and yes, many folks in the office like to cook breakfast. :)
Re: San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've heard Palantir does #1. I live in SF and my office is in SOMA- still takes me about 45 minutes to get to work on Muni. Living in SOMA would be more expensive but palatable with the stipend. That would be very convenient.
I think I heard about this perk during the earlier days of Facebook.
Re: San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
"in this type of culture its expected that you earn less" Serious question: is there any other for-profit industry where candidates wouldn't laugh in your face for saying something like this?
Some parts of aerospace, specifically the higher profile projects where people will feel like they have bragging rights for working there. Also, maybe the game industry? Basically any industry where people people are dying to be on the inside, despite what the job may entail or their long term prospects.
(This is not meant as a criticism of ZenPayroll or their front-end lead in particular, especially since this instance is just hearsay, but I've come across the attitude described before and have found it personally baffling every time.)
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
He is using that phrase in the sense of his (perceived) responsibility to his employees, which is undoubtedly stronger than his responsibility to the overall city.
Other than obeying the law and paying taxes, he has no responsibility to the city. Why has it become so fashionable to project obligation onto others? The guy is creating 20+ jobs this year, what more would he need to do to fulfill this "responsibility to the overall city?"
*correction: as explained elsewhere, this is potentially a misquote: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7265916
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
He is using that phrase in the sense of his (perceived) responsibility to his employees, which is undoubtedly stronger than his responsibility to the overall city.
Other than obeying the law and paying taxes, he has no responsibility to the city. Why has it become so fashionable to project obligation onto others? The guy is creating 20+ jobs this year, what more would he need to do to fulfill this "responsibility to the overall city?"
Why have people started talking about responsibility to your environment as if it's something new?
Re: San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
#47I can't emphasize enough the severity of pain that ZenPayroll is solving. While running a startup in 2012 with multiple W-2 employees and contractors, the industry standard small business payroll solution was QuickBooks Online Payroll. Although it certainly abstracted many local and federal legal & tax complexities into something a first-timer could work with, I still spent at least 10 hours a month running payroll,…
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
The $500 per month housing stipend seems a little disingenuous. If the concern was truly about employees and rising real estate prices, why not raise wages by $6000 across the board? It isn't like real estate magically drops in value half a mile away or commuting longer distances is free. Is the policy an attempt to remove an excuse why an employee can't be in the office? Do they want the ability to call an employee…
In a non-cynical mode: 1) turns your employees into neighbours 2) reduces wasted commute time 3) increases exercise compared to drivers (10 mins is better than nothing (edit: twice a day!)) thus reducing medical costs 4) reduces absenteeism due to dental appointments, kid concerts, etc that tend to be near home. Improves family life. 5) reduces the carbon footprint of the business 6) reduces the car-related absenteei…
Some parents with young children find it difficult to get time to be alone in private while not exhausted. This can cause awful stress on a relationship. "Lunchtime" with a partner at home can make a big difference.
This might not sound like a big deal to the pre-kid people, or those with tons of energy after the kids are in bed, but for some people this is a relationship-saver.
Re: San Francisco Startup ZenPayroll Raises $20M, Finds Novel Ways to Lure Workers
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
The $500 per month housing stipend seems a little disingenuous. If the concern was truly about employees and rising real estate prices, why not raise wages by $6000 across the board? It isn't like real estate magically drops in value half a mile away or commuting longer distances is free. Is the policy an attempt to remove an excuse why an employee can't be in the office? Do they want the ability to call an employee…
In a non-cynical mode: 1) turns your employees into neighbours 2) reduces wasted commute time 3) increases exercise compared to drivers (10 mins is better than nothing (edit: twice a day!)) thus reducing medical costs 4) reduces absenteeism due to dental appointments, kid concerts, etc that tend to be near home. Improves family life. 5) reduces the carbon footprint of the business 6) reduces the car-related absenteei…
Some companies give stipends to employees who commute using public transportation. They could just give everyone a raise to cover those fees, but tying the stipend to the behavior actually encourages people to do it.
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interviewed with their lead front-end engineer for a front-end engineering position. Everything was great then he asked me for my "story". I answered as best I could but I guess it wasn't what he wanted to hear so he re-iterated that he wanted to know if he would like working with me. I think that's great thing to determine but was put-off by the question-- I got the feeling I would be working with a bit of a tool. H…
"in this type of culture its expected that you earn less" Serious question: is there any other for-profit industry where candidates wouldn't laugh in your face for saying something like this?