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Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by ckoepp »

emocakes wrote: post #70
ckoepp wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Patriot missiles in Ukraine to protect the US and EU from North Korea and Iran?! Well, get back to your geography homework and have a look where the Ukraine is located...

http://www.cfr.org/missile-defense/us-ballistic-missile-defe... "The Aegis BMD system is the linchpin of the Obama administration's plan for a missile defense umbrella in Europe intended to protect U.S. forces and NATO allies from Iranian short- and medium-range ballistic missiles." Do your homework. (although I did mislabel the missile system, its aegis, not patriot that are being used here)

So the protection from Northern Korea is also wrong as the name of the whole system was? Your homework wasn't done properly either, don't you think? :D

Well, I'm European and you can't expect me to know details about every military protection plan from the US administration (which are surely a lot), can you?

Googeling it wouldn't have returned useful information with two wrong facts I guess ;)

...and by the way: your link said nothing about the Ukraine! :D :D So again, look at google maps!

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by xmpir »

noname123 wrote: post #75

Damn, she's pretty hot although the accent kind of kills my boner. I wonder though would I have clicked 'Play' on the video without the screenshot of the pretty Ukrainian blonde girl, say in the place of a Ukrainian male partisan of the same age? Was her message more persuasive through her voice and feminine presentation? The fact that my Ghostery plugin had registered 16 trackers (including Buzzfeed.com) on thoughtc…

The homepage "thoughtcatalog.com" has just commented on the video. It was uploaded by "Whisper Roar" http://www.youtube.com/user/awhispertoaroar/about

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by x0054 »

mtrimpe wrote: post #54
x0054 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is NOT true that ONLY half of the population want's to join EU or at least get rid of Putin's influence. Majority of Ukraine wants this!

From what I've understood half geographically (which is indeed the majority of the population) wants to actually join the EU and the other half mostly just wants the corruption to stop. Is that not correct?

I found the ethnic chart here fairly accurate http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/09...

(I did not read the article, just looked at the charts, which look to be in agreement with my personal experience).

I would say that about 20% of the very east part of the country is largely pro Russia, as well as most of Crimea. But even the pro-Russia people don't necessarily think Ukraine should join Russia, almost everyone want's the corruption to stop, as you have pointed out. And I have yet to find a single Ukrainian, Russian speaking or not, who would have anything good to say about Putin. Of course, in most parts of Russia, outside Moscow, you will rarely find anyone who doesn't outright hate that bustard.

I think most people want both Yanukovych and Putin out of their country. So maybe you are right, not every one is pro-EU, but most I would say are unti-Putin.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by emocakes »

ckoepp wrote: post #81
emocakes wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

http://www.cfr.org/missile-defense/us-ballistic-missile-defe... "The Aegis BMD system is the linchpin of the Obama administration's plan for a missile defense umbrella in Europe intended to protect U.S. forces and NATO allies from Iranian short- and medium-range ballistic missiles." Do your homework. (although I did mislabel the missile system, its aegis, not patriot that are being used here)

So the protection from Northern Korea is also wrong as the name of the whole system was? Your homework wasn't done properly either, don't you think? :D Well, I'm European and you can't expect me to know details about every military protection plan from the US administration (which are surely a lot), can you? Googeling it wouldn't have returned useful information with two wrong facts I guess ;) ...and by the way: your…

theres a word for what I feel when you try to save face after being called out on having no clue. fremdschaemen

edit: as for nothing being said about ukraine, well......America hasn't gotten the Ukraine under its grips yet? Do I have to spell this out to you? seriously man.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by mtrimpe »

memracom wrote: post #67
mtrimpe wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The EU was ready to have Ukraine go through another one of their lengthy entry processes where over a period of years requirements are progressively put in place to enable joining the EU. The current protests erupted when one of the first steps along that path was openly scuttled by Russia applying a huge amount of financial leverage. It is true that only half of Ukraine wants to join the west, but it's also clear th…

The EU had Ukraine over a barrel and was demanding that they sign a punitive agreement that would have caused even greater hardship than the country is suffering now. Have you read that association agreement? It is brutal. What I want to know is why can't Kyiv negotiate its way into the EU in stages, step by step, and at each stage the agreement would be small enough that it could be explained to the people of Ukrain…

This was supposed to be just that, a small first step along the way.

I am very curious about the punitive aspect of it though.

I've never heard of it and unless it's hidden deep inside the treaty I also can't seem to find any punitive measures there.

Do you have any pointers on that?

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by mtrimpe »

bonzoq wrote: post #61
memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

Thank you for this comment. Those people occupying the square in Kyiv are incapable of any form of compromise. They refused to leave government buildings that they occupied, their leaders refused government posts they were offered, and for example recently one of the judges that sentenced protestors to house arrest was shot on the street to death. Why won't they peacefully wait for the next elections which will be in…

Weren't they peacefully protesting until they were forcefully disbanded by the police?

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by iamwithnail »

memracom wrote: post #53
Aoyagi wrote: post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

Over the last couple of months there is photo evidence of protestors with pistols and sniper rifles. Not to mention the bullets removed from wounded police officers. And who is to say that the gunshot victims were not shot by rivals in the protest camp? Lots of rhetoric and innuendo but very little actual proof beyond the individual incidents that you would find in the USA, Canada or any EU country. When was the last…

Got any evidence or links for any of that? You get that these are ordinary people, grandmothers as well as students? That these people are protesting having their country stolen AGAIN, by the same people as in 2005 when the Orange Revolution swept the country?

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by balladeer »

memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

Honestly memracom, you come across as someone who has never seen it, or worse still, never known it or even tried. What's more shocking is your comment is on the top.

> Nothing good comes from the kind of violence that these idiots in Kyiv have started.

Pick any revolution and you'll know how any good came out of it. This is the last resort and this is the only way.

You know why this is the only way? Because the dictators or the tyrants didn't grab the power as a result of some misunderstanding. It was well planned for years and then executed with precision. Later, once they had it, they made sure, for decades, that the power stays with them and it goes further and further from the people. Now, I have no love for communism, I consider this best for romantic intellectualism on paper but the worst policy in real life. It's not even about that. It's not even anarchy. It's like fighting for your life, you hit with what you got, and what you can.

So no, dialogue is not going to work. They know they are corrupt, they know they are tyrants, they know they are evil. What are you gonna negotiate with them? All they want is to remain in power (unchecked) and that is exactly what you don't want. Where does that leave you?

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by simias »

I can't believe this kind of submission manages to work on HN. This is pure clickbait devoid of any content. Nothing to spark a debate or "gratify one's intellectual curiosity", to cite the guidelines.

It's just "Click here if you want the good guys (us) to win!", and people are clicking. Amazing. And people are wondering why long-form journalism is dying.

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