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Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by jjccforth »

345723 wrote: post #10

Ah, political propaganda from the rebels. The problem with videos like this is that they provide no context. It doesn't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. It's a video of a pretty girl shot with a DSLR with a shallow depth of field. Is this even shot in the Ukraine? No idea. Could be a studio pretty much anywhere. I don't know what's going on in Kiev. This wiki article is all I could find that is well cited…

Actually it's worse: Most people who spread the information or even created the messages don't know it's a propaganda. This makes the propaganda more deceptive than otherwise.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by gpvos »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #33

Please, the Ukrainian rebels are pretty much controlled by the US, who are using fascist elements to increase the level of violence. Molotov cocktails and fireworks aren't exactly 'non-violent'. The police response has been quite measured I think...

Controlled by the US? Citation needed.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by x0054 »

mtrimpe wrote: post #25
Aoyagi wrote: post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

The EU was ready to have Ukraine go through another one of their lengthy entry processes where over a period of years requirements are progressively put in place to enable joining the EU. The current protests erupted when one of the first steps along that path was openly scuttled by Russia applying a huge amount of financial leverage. It is true that only half of Ukraine wants to join the west, but it's also clear th…

It is NOT true that ONLY half of the population want's to join EU or at least get rid of Putin's influence. Majority of Ukraine wants this!

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by memracom »

einrealist wrote: post #36

But how did this president became elected? The girl in the video speaks about dictatorship. But is it one? It bugs me, that we do not hear the voices of those in support of the current government. We always get to see the Maidan and maybe some other confined protests in other cities. In the media, it looks like the whole country is uprising. But that can't be the whole truth. If the government has no support at all,…

The president was elected in a hotly contested election that attracted international observers from a number of international election watch groups. They agreed that it was mostly a fair election. Roughly as fair as the USA with hacked voting machines and hanging chads. Or Canada with its fake robocalls sending people to the wrong polling stations.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by emocakes »

daliusd wrote: post #27
emocakes wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I don't see how what I said is anything like what you put forward...

You are spreading some FUD. Foreign politics of US or Russia definitely is in actions here but so what? What if people of Ukraine have actually some ideals and dreams about their future like people in the rest of the world? OK your name contains "emo" so maybe that's why you don't get it but that's ad hominem from my side.

I certainly hope you were never on any debating team with arguments like those.

Of course the people of Ukraine have visions and dreams about their future. What you are seeing in this video though, or on any western media (and eastern media for that matter) is not indicative of what the Ukrainian people actually want. Jumping onto either bandwagon only because of what you read in your twitter feed is just stupid.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by opionion-matter »

duncan_bayne wrote: post #23

Some observe - correctly - that this is a proxy battle between the US and the USSR^wRussia. Given that choice, I'd be turning out with the anti-Russian crowd.

And lets now think about the fact that Ukraine would suddenly belong to the EU... Then about 80% of the Ukrainian people will endure even more poverty than they have now. In an ideal world yes, it might be better to belong to the EU, IF there was no corruption and pensions would inflate along with all other pricesm and people would even get fair pensions, but let's face it, do we live in an ideal world? A lot of these young Ukraine people have a false idea about the "rich" Europeans and European lifestyle, and yes, I'm speaking out of experience.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by sgift »

memracom wrote: post #39

This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track. Think, people, think. Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at th…

> Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and mass carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at the demonstration to shoot police officers?

Depends: Will the police by the time the next big Occupy protests start already have shot people without reason? Tortured others to make them give up? Well, then I may consider these things if I still have the bravery to be part of such a protest.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by ckoepp »

Aoyagi wrote: post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

Another side of the medal is, that this very government was elected freely and a lot of Ukrainian people are still supporting it, especially in the East of the country.

Don't get me wrong, the government is far from being a good one and there surly are reasons to demonstrate. But it's elected and the OSCE said it was a fair election overall [1].

Well, in the end I must agree to Aoyagi: this is one side of a complex situation and although it is undoubtedly touching, it's not the whole truth behind the current situation.

[1] http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/110818

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by btilly »

kamaal wrote: post #26
daliusd wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is Gandhi or Dalai Lama.

It is difficult to see how Gandhi's methods could be applied in a country where opponents of the regime disappear in the middle of the night and are never heard of again. Without a free press and the right of assembly, it is impossible not merely to appeal to outside opinion, but to bring a mass movement into being, or even to make your intentions known to your adversary. -- George Orwell There are places on earth wh…

When I was growing up, one of the standard places that used to be cited for this line of reasoning was the Eastern Block. And certainly looking at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring there was evidence that peaceful protest wouldn't work.

But what happened? Oh right. Peaceful protest brought down the Soviet block.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by bonzoq »

zura wrote: post #30

The sad fact is that while Russia keeps making active steps, EU only gets "concerned", but nothing more... It is time for EU to do some real actions (not sanctions...). They should propose some real alternative options, even for Yanukovich - maybe a full EU membership or something similar, bit more than just Association Agreement.

Ukraine is incapable of a full EU Membership at the moment. It is a highly corrupt country and cannot be accepted into the club. An association agreement would help Ukraine approach European standards in terms of modern law, fighting corruption, but most importantly it would give it access to the common market. Which means they would get a highly effective fishing-rod instead of a short-term supply of semi -fresh fish.
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