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I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OK. Nice. But let's put it straight: what you have written is not contributing anything to discussion. That's like saying that USA people are dumb MacDonald eathing jerks because they have allowed NSA to happen.

...and in that line of thinking: Your opinion is also not contributing anything to the discussion. A good discussion generally consists of points and opinions. There, I said nothing too.

Yes, sorry :) I am not very good in giving short, straight and good answers yet but I'm trying to improve.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#32
post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

I think sometimes something as petty as wanting an ego-trip motivates this post, more so than really caring about disadvantaged people.

I feel everyone gets a temporary jolt of validation from being voted up. However, it should be in exchanged for adding value (being insightful, interesting, useful, funny).

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#33
Please, the Ukrainian rebels are pretty much controlled by the US, who are using fascist elements to increase the level of violence. Molotov cocktails and fireworks aren't exactly 'non-violent'. The police response has been quite measured I think...

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#34
post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

> But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think.

Well, the protesters can't exactly afford highly sophisticated weapons made to inflict pain but not (too much) damage. They don't have the luxury of spending tax money on expensive equipment. The only reason there are rubber bullets is because they probably don't find it in their self-interest to use something more heavy at the current time. The government can slaughter its own people in a matter of hours if they want to, and face no resistance from some pathetic molotov cocktails.

Maybe the video is one-sided (I haven't seen it yet), but comparing the two sides in the way you do does not make any sense to me.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#35
post #14
post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Point taken, but still the video may engage people around the world to do some research about what's going on in Kiev and the rest of Ukraine.

Probably not. I can recut this video and replace it with scenes from Los Angeles, Oakland, Chicago or New York. Just show some clips of police brutalitiy and say, "Our politicians are corrupt."

I just spat my coffee over the screen, what a perfect comment!

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#36
But how did this president became elected? The girl in the video speaks about dictatorship. But is it one? It bugs me, that we do not hear the voices of those in support of the current government. We always get to see the Maidan and maybe some other confined protests in other cities. In the media, it looks like the whole country is uprising. But that can't be the whole truth. If the government has no support at all, it would not still be in power.

The media is full of propaganda and one-sided stories. I like to see more coverage of how people think aside those confined protest areas!

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#37
post #33

Please, the Ukrainian rebels are pretty much controlled by the US, who are using fascist elements to increase the level of violence. Molotov cocktails and fireworks aren't exactly 'non-violent'. The police response has been quite measured I think...

I'd like to see how far people would get doing this sort of stuff in their own countries.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#38
post #30

The sad fact is that while Russia keeps making active steps, EU only gets "concerned", but nothing more... It is time for EU to do some real actions (not sanctions...). They should propose some real alternative options, even for Yanukovich - maybe a full EU membership or something similar, bit more than just Association Agreement.

The problem with the EU is, that the different member states have different interests - there is no "European" opinion and therefore no real actions will be done soon...

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#39
This is a pure propaganda piece that shows nothing other than some skill in video editing and constructing a sound track.

Think, people, think.

Do you want to spread this message in your countries? This summer when there is an Occupy or 99% demonstration in your country, do you want young men in helmets and masks carrying baseball bats and molotov cocktails to take charge of it? Will you carry a pistol with you at the demonstration to shoot police officers?

If not, then do not distribute this video.

Nothing good comes from the kind of violence that these idiots in Kyiv have started. They sit there at the Maidan with a 24 hour diet of patriotic songs and exhortations to valor and courage. If you wanted to set up a camp to train suicide bombers, this is exactly the kind of propaganda barrage that you would use. These people are brainwashed zombies and they are trying to use YOU to infect everyone else in preparation for the REAL zombie apocalypse.

This is no joke. Just say no to mindless propaganda and learn to THINK FOR YOURSELF. It wouldn't hurt to read some history and learn how much can be achieved by tireless negotiation and compromise to build a common ground and a political party. The Hitler style of party building never ends well.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#40
post #16

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think. I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens…

Thank you for that. As a European, I would add that you really need to be aware that the country seems to be split along historical lines: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2014/01/24...

It seems that Kiev, the capital, happens to be in a region that is dominated by Ukrainian-speaking people, who feel closer to (Western/Central) Europe than to Russia. Therefore, a lot of protests are happening in the capital, which makes it easy for the media to paint a picture of an entire country with a pro-European bent in revolt against its pro-Russian government. That narrative conveniently ignores the huge pro-Russian part of the country.

Things would play out very differently if Kiev were in the pro-Russian part of the Ukraine.

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