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Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by shoniko »

jmnicolas wrote: post #7

Before blindingly believing what the media tell us about Ukraine protests, a quick Google search about the involvement of the far right in these protests should make you weary of acting in a hurry.

@jmnicolas a quick google search will tell you that that's exactly what Russia wants you to believe. It's mostly intelligent, educated and brave people who are protesting. When on the other side it's mostly criminals (with the president who is a 2 times convicted felon). Far right is there as well, but only a minor part of the protest

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#12

Post by xmpir »

345723 wrote: post #10

Ah, political propaganda from the rebels. The problem with videos like this is that they provide no context. It doesn't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. It's a video of a pretty girl shot with a DSLR with a shallow depth of field. Is this even shot in the Ukraine? No idea. Could be a studio pretty much anywhere. I don't know what's going on in Kiev. This wiki article is all I could find that is well cited…

Point taken, but still the video may engage people around the world to do some research about what's going on in Kiev and the rest of Ukraine.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#13

Post by opionion-matter »

emocakes wrote: post #6

Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.

Finally someone who gets it ... It's not about corruption, it's about control, don't forget that a major gas-line runs through Ukraine, supplying the rest of Europe with gas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipeline...). The future "wars" will be about resources, which gas is.

The biggest group of protesters are all right-wing and not at all want to belong to Russia, if you ask the opinion of the other part of the Ukranian people you will hear different stories, we only get to see the destruction and get to hear the pro-right-wing protesters. The statement that everything will be "better" when they will belong to Europe is also a misconception. A lot of people in Ukraine live of a pension that ranges around 100 - 200 Euro per month, now don't think these people can afford food from the neighborhood supermarket, prices are too high, they can only survive by going to markets and buying from farms. Imagine what happens when they will join Europe, prices will inflate, pensions will not go up because there is no money for it ... Etc... There's much more behind it ...

Nobody cares about the people, it's all about control and resources.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#14

Post by 345723 »

xmpir wrote: post #12
345723 wrote: post #10

Ah, political propaganda from the rebels. The problem with videos like this is that they provide no context. It doesn't tell you a damn thing about what's going on. It's a video of a pretty girl shot with a DSLR with a shallow depth of field. Is this even shot in the Ukraine? No idea. Could be a studio pretty much anywhere. I don't know what's going on in Kiev. This wiki article is all I could find that is well cited…

Point taken, but still the video may engage people around the world to do some research about what's going on in Kiev and the rest of Ukraine.

Probably not.

I can recut this video and replace it with scenes from Los Angeles, Oakland, Chicago or New York. Just show some clips of police brutalitiy and say, "Our politicians are corrupt."

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#15

Post by daliusd »

emocakes wrote: post #6

Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.

OK. Nice. But let's put it straight: what you have written is not contributing anything to discussion.

That's like saying that USA people are dumb MacDonald eathing jerks because they have allowed NSA to happen.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

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Post by Aoyagi »

And again this is extremely one-sided. Propagandistic even. And it makes it to the top of HN. Again. "THE POLICE IS READY TO SHOOT". But she won't say that it's with rubber slugs or that the protesters are throwing molotovs and shooting fireworks (which can deal nasty damage). Rocks are implied, I think.

I tried to really dig into the affair, but it's too complicated with both sides corrupt (like it typically happens in the former USSR), Putin blaming EU for everything while seeding billions to the Ukrainian government, non-transparent government-opposition talks, news sites hunting for sensations... It feels like it's impossible to make an objective (or close to it) idea about the whole situation. And this video isn't helping one bit.

As much as I hate the current Ukrainian government, I'm not sure they have anything better. Pretty horrible situation.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#17

Post by emocakes »

opionion-matter wrote: post #13
emocakes wrote: post #6

Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.

Finally someone who gets it ... It's not about corruption, it's about control, don't forget that a major gas-line runs through Ukraine, supplying the rest of Europe with gas ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipeline... ). The future "wars" will be about resources, which gas is. The biggest group of protesters are all right-wing and not at all want to belong to Russia, if you ask the opinion of th…

Same situation in Syria, Only reason the west cares is because they want their 'friendship pipeline', might as well pay radicals to try topple the government so someone who would agree with US policies can be installed.

Joining the EU is probably the worst thing that can happen to Ukraine. Only high performing nations benefit from the EU, everyone else gets screwed by the regulations.

I remember reading an article that had certain people expressing outrage over the fact that Russia would scrap its free trade agreement with Ukraine if they join the EU. They didn't seem to realise that if Russia didn't do this, the russian markets would be flooded with cheap crap from the EU.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#18

Post by kennywinker »

shoniko wrote: post #11
jmnicolas wrote: post #7

Before blindingly believing what the media tell us about Ukraine protests, a quick Google search about the involvement of the far right in these protests should make you weary of acting in a hurry.

@jmnicolas a quick google search will tell you that that's exactly what Russia wants you to believe. It's mostly intelligent, educated and brave people who are protesting. When on the other side it's mostly criminals (with the president who is a 2 times convicted felon). Far right is there as well, but only a minor part of the protest

If you've never been to a protest, and you should definitely go to a protest now and then, there are always fringe groups present. Far right, far left, plainclothes cops, the completely insane, etc. But in my experience if a protest is well attended, beyond the likes of tea party events and westboro baptist stuff, then it is almost definitely filled with normal people upset about something they feel is unjust.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#19

Post by mtrimpe »

opionion-matter wrote: post #13
emocakes wrote: post #6

Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.

Finally someone who gets it ... It's not about corruption, it's about control, don't forget that a major gas-line runs through Ukraine, supplying the rest of Europe with gas ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Major_russian_gas_pipeline... ). The future "wars" will be about resources, which gas is. The biggest group of protesters are all right-wing and not at all want to belong to Russia, if you ask the opinion of th…

The main problem isn't that the US & EU care too much. It's that they don't care nearly enough.

Russia cared enough to provide several billion dollar relief loans and a 30% discount on gas prices to cancel the negotiations with the EU.

The EU didn't offer any financial aid, because they didn't care particularly much for Ukraine joining the EU.

Re: I Am A Ukrainian, This Needs To Go Viral

#20

Post by emocakes »

daliusd wrote: post #15
emocakes wrote: post #6

Lets all forget about the US trying to manipulate the outcome of these riots, already deciding who will be in power. The only reason the US and by proxy, the EU cares about the Ukraine is so they can put another load of Patriot Missiles there; to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea of course, it has nothing to do with gaining a strategic advantage over Russia. The cold war never ended.

OK. Nice. But let's put it straight: what you have written is not contributing anything to discussion. That's like saying that USA people are dumb MacDonald eathing jerks because they have allowed NSA to happen.

Sorry, I don't see how what I said is anything like what you put forward...
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