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Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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post #9

If you can use GPUs then I think scrypt-based coin mining will be the most profitable thing to do. If not, then you need to find problems that are relatively fast on CPUs compared to GPUs, parallelizable, and low bandwidth. It will be a small intersection, but there will likely be something.

We're not yet the GPUs. We're definitely searching for that small intersection you've mentioned.

Do you have any clues how to find it?

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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Sigh. This doesn't seem slightly immoral to you guys?

This is a fairly common idea, and it usually gets shot down. I am surprised you guys made it this far into the process. Unless maybe there is some user opt-in model?

For example, do you know how much more expensive this is (e.g. Wh/Tflop) than traditional datacenter grid computing? Or, how you are essentially charging users without their knowledge? I'm sure the legal system will love that one.

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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Sigh. This doesn't seem slightly immoral to you guys? This is a fairly common idea, and it usually gets shot down. I am surprised you guys made it this far into the process. Unless maybe there is some user opt-in model? For example, do you know how much more expensive this is (e.g. Wh/Tflop) than traditional datacenter grid computing? Or, how you are essentially charging users without their knowledge? I'm sure the le…

There is an opt-in: http://cdn.crowdprocess.com/opt-in.html (only one website requested it so it's not in English so far).

It's as immoral as advertising, maybe even less. In advertising you show up at a web page and see tons of things that you did not want to see or did not bring you to that web page, sometimes shift your focus and annoys you. It's the same with CrowdProcess, except instead of annoying you, we annoy one CPU core. We believe that while being more expensive than traditional datacenter grid computing, it may be less expensive because it only has to outperform ads. We don't compute on all the CPU cores, of course, only on one.

We actually ask websites to tell they're a part of this, but we cannot control what they do because they can simply display:none.

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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post #12

What you're saying is that you have a botnet. Look at botnet owners.

That's actually pretty good advice, except it may be hard to find legal and moral things to run. We wanted to find the cure for cancer and not produce rainbow tables or do DDoS attacks.

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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Sigh. This doesn't seem slightly immoral to you guys? This is a fairly common idea, and it usually gets shot down. I am surprised you guys made it this far into the process. Unless maybe there is some user opt-in model? For example, do you know how much more expensive this is (e.g. Wh/Tflop) than traditional datacenter grid computing? Or, how you are essentially charging users without their knowledge? I'm sure the le…

There is an opt-in: http://cdn.crowdprocess.com/opt-in.html (only one website requested it so it's not in English so far). It's as immoral as advertising, maybe even less. In advertising you show up at a web page and see tons of things that you did not want to see or did not bring you to that web page, sometimes shift your focus and annoys you. It's the same with CrowdProcess, except instead of annoying you, we annoy…

>>We actually ask websites to tell they're a part of this, but we cannot control what they do because they can simply display:none.

You could certainly just check to see they're using it properly. Do a screen scrape or even have someone hit the page every month or two, ban anyone abusing it by not notifying users.

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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Sigh. This doesn't seem slightly immoral to you guys? This is a fairly common idea, and it usually gets shot down. I am surprised you guys made it this far into the process. Unless maybe there is some user opt-in model? For example, do you know how much more expensive this is (e.g. Wh/Tflop) than traditional datacenter grid computing? Or, how you are essentially charging users without their knowledge? I'm sure the le…

There is an opt-in: http://cdn.crowdprocess.com/opt-in.html (only one website requested it so it's not in English so far). It's as immoral as advertising, maybe even less. In advertising you show up at a web page and see tons of things that you did not want to see or did not bring you to that web page, sometimes shift your focus and annoys you. It's the same with CrowdProcess, except instead of annoying you, we annoy…

> It's as immoral as advertising, maybe even less.

You've actually managed to convince yourself that, haven't you?

It isn't because:

1: the user is paying for the electricity being wasted by you. A tab left open could be significantly detrimental.

2: it will cause real problems for mobile users who will be wondering why their battery's flat.

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

#19
post #17

Could you give me a list of all your CDN domains so I can blacklist you?

Sure! You'll want to block ss.crowdprocess.com

An opt-out is under way, one website requested an opt-in but we haven't translated that yet: http://cdn.crowdprocess.com/opt-in.html

Re: Ask HN: What would you compute on 2000 badly behaved worker nodes?

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is an opt-in: http://cdn.crowdprocess.com/opt-in.html (only one website requested it so it's not in English so far). It's as immoral as advertising, maybe even less. In advertising you show up at a web page and see tons of things that you did not want to see or did not bring you to that web page, sometimes shift your focus and annoys you. It's the same with CrowdProcess, except instead of annoying you, we annoy…

>>We actually ask websites to tell they're a part of this, but we cannot control what they do because they can simply display:none. You could certainly just check to see they're using it properly. Do a screen scrape or even have someone hit the page every month or two, ban anyone abusing it by not notifying users.

that may be harder to do efficiently than building the entire platform and we're an extremely small team. I'm sure some day we'll do it but can't prioritize that now.
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