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Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#31
I read these mesh network posts with great interest. I really like the idea of a neighbourhood having their own private network for communication. Sadly this project is not yet ready.

Let's say I found 10 people in my neighbourhood with 10 routers what's out there that's easy to set up that would get us started with a little mesh network?

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#32
This is already moving within IETF: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pouwelse-perpass-shad... Key problem is that people are re-inventing the wheel in 100+ projects. Good scalable code takes year to develop. The mesh project I'm working on has taken 42 man-years to date :https://github.com/Tribler/tribler/wiki

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#33

A large scale mesh network is interesting to me for a couple of reasons: * Consumers would no longer be dependent on monopolies like Comcast for internet service (OSI layer 1) * It is much more resistant to eavesdropping and censorship (OSI layers 2-3) These seem like two totally different problems to me, and I'm still struggling to understand how the physical layer part can work on a large scale. I get how they coul…

I think you have your OSI layers mixed up.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#34
For me, one of the most exciting things about Bitcoin is that it can be used to solve incentivisation problems in decentralized/p2p applications like this, without relying on a centralized 3rd party.

BitTorrent has done well essentially using bandwidth as a currency, but it still relies on some users giving away more bandwidth than they consume, which doesn't necessarily work with other applications.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#35
post #11

I'd be more interested in a software that hosts data in a mesh network fashion rather than talk about zombie apocalypse, SOPA/PIPA and other political craze. And why does this thing talk so much about hardware anyways ? Maybe the goal is to get funding to make that kind of project happen, but I don't think any engineer will like to get involved into a project than explicitely express political opinions and concerns.…

You mean like MaidSafe? http://maidsafe.net/ As Lawrence Lessig said, "code is law". We've seen it before. Governments are usually too behind in understanding what's going on. Sometimes it helps, like with bittorent and TPB, while other times it hurts us, like with DRM being able to lock stuff that shouldn't actually be locked according to the law, but the DRM makers are basically making their own laws through code,…

> I don't think it's "political" to say you want anonymity or privacy to exist on a network

anonymity is just a tool you use to protect your privacy if it's being prone to attacks. Pseudominity is fine most of the time.

> Isn't that what they're doing?

> So I'm not sure what you're really attacking here.

Bittorrent or previous protocols were not advertising their project as some new idea that still needed to be implemented. Previously they just released their apps, people used them, the app evolved and it grew more popular.

I think I see too many of those project embryos while there already is freenet and tor. It's either an attempt from investor to attracts tech unsavy people into a security trap, or inexperienced or tech unsavy project initiators. Maybe there is more work to be done to make freenet and tor more accessible to new users instead of reinventing new techs.

Nowadays with the sharp increase of internet users, the noose is indeed getting tighter and tighter. It doesn't mean you have to reinvent the wheel... Improve it instead.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#36
I don't like that they use misleading information to exaggerate the problems of the current Internet:

> One such limitation is the IPv4 protocol. With a 32 bit IP Address, it is only inevitable that the address pool will be exhausted (as it almost has) as the internet keeps on expanding.

This is true, but they completely ignore the advance of IPv6.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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post #22
post #5

I'm no expert on mesh networks so maybe someone can tell me - how would a mesh network connect Los Angeles and Las Vegas? Or San Francisco to Salt Lake City? Given the populations on both ends, I assume you'd need more bandwidth than you could get from wifi routers with pringles can antennas. I assume the companies who own long distance fiber have to do what the government says, as they need government permission to…

A mesh network is not necessarily the same thing as a wireless mesh network.

But that is how this mesh is supposed to work according to point 3.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#38

For me, one of the most exciting things about Bitcoin is that it can be used to solve incentivisation problems in decentralized/p2p applications like this, without relying on a centralized 3rd party. BitTorrent has done well essentially using bandwidth as a currency, but it still relies on some users giving away more bandwidth than they consume, which doesn't necessarily work with other applications.

I will argue against this. Having a currency that can be bought or sold is also an incentive for big central service providers to crop up. For instance, bitcoin is not as decentralized as it should have been with only a few large mining pools.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#39

For me, one of the most exciting things about Bitcoin is that it can be used to solve incentivisation problems in decentralized/p2p applications like this, without relying on a centralized 3rd party. BitTorrent has done well essentially using bandwidth as a currency, but it still relies on some users giving away more bandwidth than they consume, which doesn't necessarily work with other applications.

just to be clear, the "bitcoin" in this proposal is a token of network traffic, more like your example of bittorrent than bitcoin really, with the caveat that it's built using an architecture more like bitcoin's. the incentives are simply based on a mutual desire to exchange traffic, like bittorrent. there's no monetary incentive, and i shudder to think what the consequences would be of thinking about network traffic as a traded commodity on some kind of market or exchange. (oh god that's almost the status quo!)

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

#40
I don't see this in the FAQ ...

What if I create an entire libernet network (say, 8 nodes, all meshed) and isolate, or fork them, from the rest of libernet ... and then generate massive traffic between them all to "earn" traffic currency ?

So, 8 nodes all connected with gigabit ethernet, all maxing out their traffic in one big circle, earning "traffic" currency ... and then I rejoin the mainline libernet in the future with my massive store of traffic currency.

How do you avoid that scenario ? Certainly you can't make the network inoperable (or non-earning) if a network link breaks somewhere in the mesh ... because there would always be links in the mesh breaking.

Is there a minimum number of peers accessible in order to earn traffic currency ? Is that number larger than the number of freebsd jails I could quickly initialize with a script ?

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