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Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by cmpaul »

tinco wrote: post #18

Has no reference implementation.

"20. What is the status of Open Libernet at this time? We are still at idea stage. We’ve built a few simulations to test some parts of the system, but the main development hasn’t begun. We have published our whitepaper, which explains – to some degree of detail – the proposed protocol, and we’re still waiting for review. For that, if you happen to have any insight on routing protocols, networking or software development that you would like to share with us, please do so. If you think something with the protocol is not right or needs to be improved, or if you have a better idea on how to do something, also do not hesitate to voice your opinion. This is a community project and we are more than happy to receive all the help we could get. Also, everything we’re doing is Open Source, including the white-paper, the concept and in the future the code. You are free to take anything you like, modify, publish and release, then tell us about it. Or if you prefer, don’t."

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by ris »

michaelt wrote: post #5

I'm no expert on mesh networks so maybe someone can tell me - how would a mesh network connect Los Angeles and Las Vegas? Or San Francisco to Salt Lake City? Given the populations on both ends, I assume you'd need more bandwidth than you could get from wifi routers with pringles can antennas. I assume the companies who own long distance fiber have to do what the government says, as they need government permission to…

A mesh network is not necessarily the same thing as a wireless mesh network.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by jsaxton86 »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #20
jsaxton86 wrote: post #17

A large scale mesh network is interesting to me for a couple of reasons: * Consumers would no longer be dependent on monopolies like Comcast for internet service (OSI layer 1) * It is much more resistant to eavesdropping and censorship (OSI layers 2-3) These seem like two totally different problems to me, and I'm still struggling to understand how the physical layer part can work on a large scale. I get how they coul…

wireless networks alone aren't going to be sufficient to build a large-scale mesh network that could disrupt existing ISPs. The latency alone makes this infeasible. I'm not so sure, your links are almost c, whereas optic fiber is substantially slower, so it depends entirely on how little processing you can get away with in the message passing code. edit - was just thinking about this, an arm cortex runs at ~ 2,000 MI…

I think it mostly depends upon the range of each of the nodes. If your nodes have an average range of 820 feet (the range of 802.11n (in good weather, I assume)), and you have 1 node exactly every 820 feet between NY and SF, that's over 16,000 links. If each link has 10ms of latency, that's 16s of latency.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by ris »

lotsofmangos wrote: post #20
jsaxton86 wrote: post #17

A large scale mesh network is interesting to me for a couple of reasons: * Consumers would no longer be dependent on monopolies like Comcast for internet service (OSI layer 1) * It is much more resistant to eavesdropping and censorship (OSI layers 2-3) These seem like two totally different problems to me, and I'm still struggling to understand how the physical layer part can work on a large scale. I get how they coul…

wireless networks alone aren't going to be sufficient to build a large-scale mesh network that could disrupt existing ISPs. The latency alone makes this infeasible. I'm not so sure, your links are almost c, whereas optic fiber is substantially slower, so it depends entirely on how little processing you can get away with in the message passing code. edit - was just thinking about this, an arm cortex runs at ~ 2,000 MI…

It's got nothing to do with the propagation speed. Wireless has high latency because it requires comparatively high amounts of processing, has to operate over a shared channel (requiring collision avoidance), is subject to unexpected interference...

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by cmpaul »

MWil wrote: post #6

does "bitcoin-based" have anything to do with the priority of delivery over the network?

The way I'm reading it, nodes pay their neighbors for successfully delivered packets using bitcoin-like credits mined by specialized nodes. I'd imagine the nodes with high balances would then be prioritized for delivery (both sending/receiving).

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by troymc »

flibertgibit wrote: post #12

I love the idea of mesh networking to decentralize the net and using OTS solutions to do so. In fact, I've pushed for it on HN. But, here are a few problems: * Before a "theory" website with cheesy blog/helloworld/contact images http://openlibernet.org/index.html#contribute , come up with a solution. The U.S. has been through several years of executive and legislative branches led on both sides by activists with good…

They aren't using Bitcoin. They're using the Bitcoin Protocol but to trade in something else, which they call "Traffic." I suppose you'd be able to trade Traffic for Bitcoin, US dollars, or cabbage, once exchanges get set up.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by wmf »

flibertgibit wrote: post #12

I love the idea of mesh networking to decentralize the net and using OTS solutions to do so. In fact, I've pushed for it on HN. But, here are a few problems: * Before a "theory" website with cheesy blog/helloworld/contact images http://openlibernet.org/index.html#contribute , come up with a solution. The U.S. has been through several years of executive and legislative branches led on both sides by activists with good…

I don't think incentives are completely unrelated to networking. They may not have the right design, but in theory applying Bitcoin-like concepts to networking incentives isn't a crazy idea.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by JoshTriplett »

jsaxton86 wrote: post #17

A large scale mesh network is interesting to me for a couple of reasons: * Consumers would no longer be dependent on monopolies like Comcast for internet service (OSI layer 1) * It is much more resistant to eavesdropping and censorship (OSI layers 2-3) These seem like two totally different problems to me, and I'm still struggling to understand how the physical layer part can work on a large scale. I get how they coul…

> It is much more resistant to eavesdropping and censorship (OSI layers 2-3)

Not inherently. Arguably, a large-scale mesh network would be more susceptible to interference, due to the larger number of distinct parties involved in each communication. The difference is that because a mesh network assumes the lack of trust in the intermediate nodes, a sensible design for one has to include end-to-end security.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by gasull »

flibertgibit wrote: post #12

I love the idea of mesh networking to decentralize the net and using OTS solutions to do so. In fact, I've pushed for it on HN. But, here are a few problems: * Before a "theory" website with cheesy blog/helloworld/contact images http://openlibernet.org/index.html#contribute , come up with a solution. The U.S. has been through several years of executive and legislative branches led on both sides by activists with good…

People will share their connection in order to earn Libernet cryptocurrency.

Re: Open Libernet: a Bitcoin-based fully encrypted mesh networking protocol

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Post by adestefan »

ris wrote: post #24
lotsofmangos wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wireless networks alone aren't going to be sufficient to build a large-scale mesh network that could disrupt existing ISPs. The latency alone makes this infeasible. I'm not so sure, your links are almost c, whereas optic fiber is substantially slower, so it depends entirely on how little processing you can get away with in the message passing code. edit - was just thinking about this, an arm cortex runs at ~ 2,000 MI…

It's got nothing to do with the propagation speed. Wireless has high latency because it requires comparatively high amounts of processing, has to operate over a shared channel (requiring collision avoidance), is subject to unexpected interference...

You also need to send a lot of additional information for error correction.
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