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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…

Have you ever lived in that neighborhood of San Francisco? 99.9% of my interactions with the police have been entirely professional and exactly what I would expect. The 0.1% occurred in the Tenderloin, Mission, and SOMA (neighborhoods of SF). A SFPD beat cop, at night, in one of those areas... Yeah, no. I've had more pleasant and rational interactions while being mugged in the Mission than I ever had with cops on the…

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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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"She turned to me and abruptly said that I was not needed as a witness and should leave immediately." -- Police ask you to leave the scene. You don't. You wind up in jail. I've read a lot of these "brutality" stories. The one common ingredient: not doing what the cop says. Police are just trying to do their jobs. If they ask you to leave, just leave. The less gawkers and people meandering around the easier it is for them to do their job. Generally speaking, I'd say that after an accident in which an officer has asked you to move along that it is not a good time to "exercise your rights." Sure you probably have the "right" to stick around and get in the way, but why?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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recording of police is illegal in many cities - and i mean the voice recording. unless there's an app that lets u record without sound i'd say do not record.

Secret recording is illegal in 12 states, the ones that are two-party consent states. These states require all parties to know that they are being recorded. Openly recording the police is prohibited in two states - Illinois and Massachusetts. Every other state, you have the right to record the police, as long as you do it openly. Now, there are a few things that go along with this. You are not allowed to interfere wi…

Recording the police doing their job in public in generally legal and is a protected First Amendment activity. Courts keep ruling in favor of recording police. Laws prohibiting it are not constitutional.

>Openly recording the police is prohibited in two states - Illinois and Massachusetts

No, not really.

http://reason.com/archives/2012/04/05/7-rules-for-recording-...

Last week the City of Boston agreed to pay Simon Glik $170,000 in damages and legal fees to settle a civil rights lawsuit stemming from his 2007 felony arrest for videotaping police roughing up a suspect. Prior to the settlement, the First Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously ruled that Glik had a “constitutionally protected right to videotape police carrying out their duties in public.” The Boston Police Department now explicitly instructs its officers not to arrest citizens openly recording them in public.

The law in 38 states plainly allows citizens to record police, as long as you don’t physically interfere with their work. Police might still unfairly harass you, detain you, or confiscate your camera. They might even arrest you for some catchall misdemeanor such as obstruction of justice or disorderly conduct. But you will not be charged for illegally recording police.

Twelve states—California, Connecticut, Florida, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Montana, Nevada, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Washington—require the consent of all parties for you to record a conversation.

However, all but 2 of these states—Massachusetts and Illinois—have an “expectation of privacy provision” to their all-party laws that courts have ruled does not apply to on-duty police (or anyone in public). In other words, it’s technically legal in those 48 states to openly record on-duty police.

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Fortunately, judges and juries are soundly rejecting these [anti-police recording] laws. Illinois, the state with the most notorious anti-recording laws in the land, expressly forbids you from recording on-duty police. Early last month an Illinois judge declared that law unconstitutional, ruling in favor of Chris Drew, a Chicago artist charged with felony eavesdropping for secretly recording his own arrest. Last August a jury acquitted Tiawanda Moore of secretly recording two Chicago Police Internal Affairs investigators who encouraged her to drop a sexual harassment complaint against another officer. (A juror described the case to a reporter as “a waste of time.”) In September, an Illinois state judge dropped felony charges against Michael Allison. After running afoul of local zoning ordinances, he faced up to 75 years in prison for secretly recording police and attempting to tape his own trial.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Of the three groups (fire paramedics police) which is most likely to be bored with nothing to do? Of course the cops are going to light the lamps. This nation would have much better policing if we had half as many cops. I had a single day of jury duty two weeks ago and was dumbfounded by how many sheriff's deputies there were wandering around the courthouse in a daze, loitering around the metal detector, setting off…

I'm sorry, but have you been to a dispatch room? I spent a day with in a sherriffs department once and then had went on a ridealong - there's no 'loitering around', arranging a half an hour's break for dinner was difficult.

Both you and the person you are replying to have taken personal anecdotes and expanded them out to decide that America has either too few or too many cops.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Um, so your two arguments so far have been: "The person I'm responding to LITERALLY said he wanted all police to die" "Well, he didn't literally say that, in fact, he didn't say anything close to that". "fuck the police shouldn't be the top comment" evidence is presented to the contrary "Dude, its not like I meant THIS top comment". There's no chance you're anything but a troll or stupid, so either way, I'm wasting m…

BlackDeath3's argument was that a voting system is the means through which the best comments, as deemed by the majority of users, receive the most exposure. You misunderstood them and referred them to the current top comment, pointing out that it was quite substantial. Without realizing it though, you were demonstrating their point.

Thank you. It's difficult to get your point across when somebody takes your words, twists them, and forces you into a whole separate argument based on those misconstrued words.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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I find it sad that the officer could be a "joke around the precinct" - presumably incompetent and apparently eager to abuse their power - and still be an officer.

Result of using gender quotas, maybe? Does anyone know to what extent the NYPD relaxes its standards for people who aren't qualified but are "under represented"? If there's a bias in the hiring phase, there's likely to be similar laxity in the firing phase, too.

Could move them to less sensitive positions, even in that case. Although it occurs to me that traffic duty might be such a position.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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>No one is denying that good cops do exist. If you'll look closely through this comment section, several people have suggested that good cops don't exist. I'm speaking to them. I do not deny that calling police can be a big gamble.

They're being hyperbolic, there's no point arguing when someone says there are 'no' good cops. It just sidetracks the conversation.

I would agree with that. The problem I have is that I fear that hyperbole promotes an attitude that causes people to act as though the extreme exists. I hope you understand my meaning.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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When you call 911, don't you get the option for Police, Fire or Ambulance? That is the way it works in Australia.

In my location in the US, all three come when you call.

I had a friend call the paramedics from home when she got seriously injured. The police did not show up. USA.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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The abuse and injustice is irrelevant at that point because it hasn't happened. What 'debt' is saying is that it was a stupid reaction to getting stopped for a red light violation, not that the abuse that followed was justified. Those two views are not contradictory.

> What 'debt' is saying is that it was a stupid reaction to getting stopped for a red light violation Besides getting stopped for a traffic violation he was asked to provide something that was not mandatory by law. Even worse, the policemen cited the law wrongly (and for something quite basic). This is indefensible. But that's beside the point. I take offense with the notion against his "stupid reaction" in general.…

It's very easy to sit at your computer and say these things. But once you've been in solitary for no real reason, for hours and hours, with no knowledge of when you're going to get out, your opinion changes about how you should deal with police. I had the same experience. Give us your ID! I declined reasonably, stating my states law on the matter. They then started harassing me, pushing me around. "You don't have any rights." etc. Taken to county, solitary for 18 hours. I'd like to avoid that in the future.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

#750

One thousand good cops do not make up for one bad cop. Cops nearly ruined my life in 2006. I will write about it someday, but suffice it to say, I am out at least $30K (didn't bother doing the math because it's too depressing) and still paying for something I ABSOLUTELY HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH. My only mistake was saying anything besides "I would like to speak with a lawyer" over and over. Do not speak to cops,…

Even the person in the article could have gotten out of trouble if they kept quiet. "Where you do work?" isn't a question they should be answering. Just exercise your right to remain silent. ALWAYS. Keep quiet.

I'm sorry you have to learn this the hard way.

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