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How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Reading your law enforcement stories This is exactly the problem. You read the stories , that is, the exceptional cases. Don't extrapolate from exceptions.

I expected this comment and I phrased it specifically to get this reaction. Let me ask you this: Are you sure these cases are exceptional, not systemic? Naming something exceptional usually means that the system can be left alone. This might be the case, but I'm worried that you people are in a frog-in-boiling-pot situation. So, let me rephrase: do you have trustable statistics showing that police brutality is not sy…

So, let me rephrase: do you have trustable statistics showing that police brutality is not systemic?

I agree with the implicit assumption in your question. When trying to evaluate whether there is a serious problem, in any area, we should rely on data. These stories, heartbreaking as they are, are just anecdotes. Thus, lacking proper data, I can't tell whether there is a systemic problem with police brutality in the US: I can't answer your question. I'm sure such statistics do exist, but since I'm not from the US, it's not exactly something I tend to pick up on.

However, I am somewhat familiar with the dynamics involved with issues like this. There are usually some few exceptions that stand out enough to be picked up in the media, but most don't. I'd guess that there are an order of magnitude more cases that are either not severe enough to be reported on, or too common to be interesting, but are still beyond what a society would consider ideal, were they to come to light.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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We should at least fight back at the voting booths. Pay attention to local politics!

Pointless, politicians have no control over the police. A guy was elected here as a police reformer, his job was to not resign the current police contract and build a new force that was actually accountable to people who live here instead of federal thugs for hire who had been out of control and corrupt for decades. Instead he was promptly raided by the same corrupt cops he wanted to disband a week into his term. Sla…

Just because it failed once, doesn't mean it's pointless. The more it happens ("Gee, the last 7 mayors elected promising police reform were raided, none of the others were...") the more obvious it gets, and the harder it will be for police officers to look their friends and family in the eye while not standing up to such blatant corruption. That's not to say it's the only thing we should be doing, but it's something we should be doing.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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The whole idea that bicyclists somehow are above the law in terms of traffic signals needs to end. We need to start stopping at red lights and stop signs if we're ever to be taken seriously. Time and again I've had conversations with bicyclists friends of mine who are adamant about how helmets are as optional as obeying traffic signals; it's totally hypocritical and asinine. They knowingly break the laws then bitch a…

How is this in any way related to the parent comment? He did not contest the traffic offence at any point. He did contest the requirement to carry ID and was then punished for raising his rights.

How about his duties first? I may very well to be mistaken, but to me the story sounded like he was ok with paying a fine and then doing the same again. Alas, for whatever the reason there is indeed hollier-than-thou vibe among cyclists. As other comment mentioned police can hold you if you broke the law and have no id.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #206

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Your comment reads like this: "It's rational for officers to arrest law-abiding citizens who are slightly annoying officers." And I get that a lot of people believe that. But you're wrong. You're so, so wrong. It saddens me that a lot of cops (like the one in this story) feel as you do, that it's fine for police to grossly abuse their powers. In a rational world, the cop would no longer be a cop. In this world, he pr…

I'm not the person you're replaying to and I don't think that someone should be arrested in the described situation, but I think the logic follows like this. Police are the people we've put in charge with keeping public order. In the course of that job, they're going to arrest and / or detain people. We want them to always detain the right people, but even a very good police department will detain the wrong people so…

> this system only works

It doesn't work. You are naive.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

That sucks and is rather unfortunate. However, while according to the New York Civil Liberties Union, you are not legally required to carry ID, they say "Lastly, an officer cannot write you a summons if you do not provide i.d; instead he must arrest you. That means that if you are stopped for a violation such as loitering and do not provide i.d., you will be arrested"[0] So, there were three outcomes once you ran the…

Option 3, from what the other officers told me, is the usual procedure for bike violations.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #565

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Dude, this is about someone getting in to a bike accident. Please, for fuck's sake, if you see someone hit by a car or otherwise bleeding on the street, do the sane thing and call 911. I can't believe we're having this conversation...

Someone should try this and document their experience.

Uhm, you know that paramedics get called to accidents on almost a daily basis in a city like San Francisco, right? I'm pretty sure it would be national news if everyone calling 911 was being thrown in solitary.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Was there an impound charge for the bike, or other processing fees? If so, that might explain some motivation too.

No impound fees or anything. I didn't pay anything aside from the entire day in jail.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #479

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I find it sad that the officer could be a "joke around the precinct" - presumably incompetent and apparently eager to abuse their power - and still be an officer.

In Seattle, 120 strikes and you're out: http://petapixel.com/2014/02/04/police-officer-threatened-ar...

I totally understand an "allegation", not sustained, not counting as a full "strike". Only 21 were sustained, and we don't know the seriousness of those allegations. It still seems late, but I'd like to know more before being confident about that.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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post #166

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"I understand that on some level putting Peretz in jail was a reasonable response to him not leaving the scene, ..." It sounds completely unreasonable to me, by the way. Of course he doesn't want to leave, he just found someone bleeding in the street, it's natural to care about what happens to them. Why should he leave? And why would he go to jail after not obeying immediately? Isn't there something else that you guy…

It's rational for a police officer to respond to civil disobedience in some circumstances with detention. That is not unreasonable in some situations, particularly one where lives are at stake or where there is clear and present danger. My point is that while the arrest may have been bad, what happened after is egregious and clearly definable as awful. There's lots of blame to go around here but blame does little goo…

>> That is not unreasonable in some situations, particularly one where lives are at stake or where there is clear and present danger.

Which was absolutely not the situation here.

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