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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by __--__ »

sbfgb wrote: post #460
zedshaw wrote: post #394

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually, I am against prohibition too, and against most drug laws, and definitely against applying them disproportionately. I'm an advocate for drug abuse being treated as a medical condition, for the sale of hard drugs only by prescription, and for any laws to be applied the same to whites, blacks, and corporations alike. I'm against famous people getting rehab while poor people get life sentences for possession. I…

I also have never done drugs, have never drank alcohol, never smoked Go for it, it'll either make you less of a tool or cause you a life of suffering. Both sound good.

Have we gotten to the "threaten the dissenter with bodily harm" bit already?

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Post by dnautics »

mpyne wrote: post #321
joe_the_user wrote: post #292

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"everyone is greedy" is not a good characterization of libertarianism; there are plenty of libertarian social benefit groups You are saying because not all libertarians are actually greedy, they don't believe everyone is greedy. If were to rephrase the statement as "everyone seeking individual good will result in a collective good", I don't see you really disagreeing. The problem is that we already see people seeking…

Likewise the market is probably a very efficient resource allocation mechanism, but only for economic goods. There are many other types of "goods" out there that can't be quantified in dollars and cents. How much is, say, human dignity worth? Child labor? Sadly they both have prices, but I'd like to think we're better than treating people only in terms of their economic value today. Worse yet, the market itself requi…

Likewise the market is probably a very efficient resource allocation mechanism, but only for economic goods. There are many other types of "goods" out there that can't be quantified in dollars and cents. How much is, say, human dignity worth? Child labor? Sadly they both have prices, but I'd like to think we're better than treating people only in terms of their economic value today.

You're confusing "price" for "value", they are very different things. The libertarian argument is not necessarily predicated on the market (and not just of commodities and goods, of charities and services, of creative expression, of ideas, etc) being efficient, but the market being moral.

The corollary argument is that in most cases government is immoral, hypocritical, and in many cases inefficient at managing all sorts of this wide array of goods. (note the careful choice of qualifiers)

The distinction between an anarcho-capitalist and a libertarian, is that a libertarian will outline a specific role of government - generally: to manage situations where force or coercion (specifically, the threat of direct force) are used. Thich covers "child labor" and certain, non-squishy aspects of "human dignity" like chattel slavery, physical torture, etc. An anarcho-capitalist thinks that these should also not be entrusted to a single monopolizing entity.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by MrJagil »

gwern wrote: post #452
MrJagil wrote: post #400

All the Reddit kids are talking about a new site called The Marketplace, apparently very secure. http://www.reddit.com/r/themarketplace/comments/1tx26z/the_m... Anyone with more knowledge and less bias care to elaborate?

Multi-sig seems like it would prevent these problems of markets scamming their users, and thus far seems to have worked for TMP, but the major issue is that TMP hasn't been very popular because it's harder to use, and so we don't know how robust multi-sig is in practice.

Thanks for answering Gwern. I admire your work, trust your opinion, and it resonates with my impression.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by pirateking »

rglover wrote: post #24

Reports like these make me wonder what Hacker News would have looked like during the gold rush in the 1800s.

Rusher News

1. Mine Plundered: $2300 in Nuggets Stolen! (439 points)

2. Gold Is Where You Find It (102 points)

3. Show RN: A Better Shovel (32 points)

4. WANTED: No good pickaxe thief, DoA (8 points)

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by redthrowaway »

milkshakes wrote: post #479
redthrowaway wrote: post #448

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Only if I were disagreeing with some substantive point he made, which I'm not (I'm not agreeing, either). The substantive issue of my comment was his tone. I'm not disagreeing with him or trying to convince others that he's wrong; I'm just calling him out for being a jackass.

> Only if I were disagreeing with some substantive point he made, which I'm not (I'm not agreeing, either). The substantive issue of my comment was his tone. I'm not disagreeing with him or trying to convince others that he's wrong FTA: So if the worst thing you can say about something is to criticize its tone, you're not saying much. Is the author flippant, but correct? Better that than grave and wrong. And if the a…

"You're being a jackass" != "You're a jackass"

I'm criticizing the behaviour, not the person. If you can't call out poor behaviour, you can't expect civil communication.

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Post by redthrowaway »

wtallis wrote: post #416
jacobtracey wrote: post #395

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redthrowaway's comment: > You can make the same argument without being an ass about it. Your reply: > It's funny how me pointing out the stupidity and bullshit of a group of criminals makes me an asshole... You completely missed their point, how you can't see that is beyond me.

Careful, now. It looks like you're saying that calling something stupid bullshit is being an asshole. Some of us happen to believe that stupid bullshit is a real thing and that there are circumstances where calling something stupid bullshit may be entirely fair and justified. Try defending against the accusation itself instead of taking the stance that the accusation is always automatically invalid.

>It looks like you're saying that calling something stupid bullshit is being an asshole.

No, being an asshole while calling something bullshit is being an asshole. A ^ B |- A. You can say something's bullshit without ridiculing people. Zed's problem isn't that he says unpopular things, it's that he seems to try to be as rude as possible in saying them.

Saying something's bullshit isn't necessarily rude. Saying something's bullshit and anyone who disagrees with you is an idiot|hypocrite|moron|asshole is.

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Post by redthrowaway »

iopq wrote: post #483
redthrowaway wrote: post #238

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That actually alludes to something I noticed recently: Libertarians tend to come from countries with shitty governments, which makes sense. You're likely to be far more suspicious of the idea of government regulation if your government has a history of incompetence and malice than if you come from a country whose government, while imperfect, mostly just works.

That's true, I'm a libertarian from a country with a shitty government (United States)

And you rarely see libertarians here in Canada. For all its warts, our government mostly works: healthcare is pretty good, education is pretty good, regulations are generally not onerous, taxes are pretty low, crime is pretty low, etc. It's a solid B- government, and that seems to apply regardless of who's in power. So while you get disagreements on what government should or should not do, you don't really get disagreements about whether or not government is good: it's mostly ok.

I agree, the American government (on all levels) seems to be particularly dysfunctional, so it makes sense that many Americans would look at it and conclude that government writ large is bad. Combined with the American propensity for introspection and self-criticism, the very real observation that American government is bad leads to the (imho erroneous) conclusion that all government is bad, ignoring the fact that most western governments, while flawed, are nowhere near as flawed as yours is.

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Post by GFK_of_xmaspast »

xenophanes wrote: post #468
GFK_of_xmaspast wrote: post #329

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Stalinists don't like Trotskyists either.

And is there such thing as "Stalinist Trotskyists"? Also that some similar groups dislike each other does not imply that all groups which dislike each other are similar.

The point is that people on the radical fringe of economic thought are prone to splitterism.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by milkshakes »

redthrowaway wrote: post #505
milkshakes wrote: post #479

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> Only if I were disagreeing with some substantive point he made, which I'm not (I'm not agreeing, either). The substantive issue of my comment was his tone. I'm not disagreeing with him or trying to convince others that he's wrong FTA: So if the worst thing you can say about something is to criticize its tone, you're not saying much. Is the author flippant, but correct? Better that than grave and wrong. And if the a…

"You're being a jackass" != "You're a jackass" I'm criticizing the behaviour, not the person. If you can't call out poor behaviour, you can't expect civil communication.

> I'm criticizing the behaviour, not the person.

What you're doing is kidding yourself. You already know that zed shaw, being zed shaw, could care less about what the fun police has to say about the way he expresses himself.

> If you can't call out poor behaviour, you can't expect civil communication.

This news forum provides a mechanism that allows users to collectively rank posts by voting on them. Zed's comment on this article happens to be the top ranked one. Respectfully, I would submit that the majority of people who have seen it value the information content of his post more than they are offended by the way that he delivered it.

Could he have expressed himself in a more PG13 fashion? Sure he could have. Could he have made his point more politely? I don't think anyone would argue against that. But that's not Zed.

Frankly, I think it's a bit presumptuous of you to appoint yourself the civility police and harass people for the way they say things without actually engaging with what they are trying to say. Luckily for us, Zed doesn't actually care what you think. But I don't believe that it is either constructive or in the spirit of this venue to encourage an environment that attacks people for how they say things, rather than what they say. I think that the losses from such an overly sensitive environment, given the diverse range of cultures and personalities this board attracts, would far outweigh the gains.

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