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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by DanBC »

late2part wrote: post #427
moheeb wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No...more like "leave when the cops show up". What is some drunk yahoo gonna do to help after the call has been made? I'm sure the cops have all kinds of anecdotes about how helpful the drunks loitering around a scene at 1AM are!

I don't believe the police have any right to give a lawful order to compel a citizen from leaving a public area unless there is a public disturbance or danger. The samaritan, according to her own story, was not creating a problem. 3 drinks in 3 hours makes few people intoxicated. The people have a right, nay, an obligation, to resist unlawful orders. If her story is true and accurate, that law enforcement officer and…

If you're in that situation you have a choice.

Comply with what you're told and complain later or take a stand and face the consequences. They have tasers and guns and handcuffs and colleagues who will arrive on scene later and assume that you're guilty. Death is a real possibility.

http://www.popehat.com/2014/01/20/kelly-thomas/

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by Beasting247 »

The real problem with all these stories is that it's as if the police are above the law and not held accountable for abusing it. They should all be thrown in jail and have their badges removed. Nothing sickens me more than people who abuse their authority over innocent people (eg. child molesters. yes, I compared corrupt policemen to child molesters)

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by mwfunk »

fuckpig wrote: post #371

Government is a parasite that protects its own interests. It defends itself against you, and to do that, must neutralize anyone who does not do exactly what it wants. The solution is to overthrow government and replace it with organic power structures. Most people are afraid to do this however. It insults their sense of autonomy and uniqueness. Thus for the sake of pretense, we continue with this idiocy.

"Organic power structures"

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by benched »

debt wrote: post #455
andrewfelix wrote: post #433

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The post has absolutely nothing to do with cyclists being above the law. Neither do your personal anecdotes about cyclists. Try not make generalisations about groups of people based on your narrow experience.

Cyclist breaks the law and then feels entitled to talk down the arresting officers? I can't say it's the first time I've heard this story.

You are conflating several things and speaking rhetorically, not logically.

Here's what you want: "Vehicle operator runs a red light and is arrested"

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by danbmil99 »

I've had friends who got into this sort of situation. Being dragged into the criminal justice system is a real eye-opener.

Without downplaying the distress one might feel in this situation, it's worth pointing out that here in the US, assuming you have resources (meaning, money and/or friends/relatives who will advocate for you), you almost always can get out of the clutches of this Kafka-esque nightmare within at most 72 hours.

If you lack those resources, your life can become fucked pretty hard pretty fast. And it goes without saying that there are countries where instead of 3 days, you can spend weeks, months, or years in the grip of a system every bit as evil and frightening as a cheap horror flick.

In fact, we (US govt) have some people like that languishing down in Cuba right now.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by tptacek »

mindslight wrote: post #382
dctoedt wrote: post #105

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Downvoted for encouraging tax fraud.

Yeah, it's our responsibility to fund the police to perform the beatings!

That, and the roads that the ambulances use, and for that matter the ambulances. Sheesh.

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Post by mattm »

danbmil99 wrote: post #535

I've had friends who got into this sort of situation. Being dragged into the criminal justice system is a real eye-opener. Without downplaying the distress one might feel in this situation, it's worth pointing out that here in the US, assuming you have resources (meaning, money and/or friends/relatives who will advocate for you), you almost always can get out of the clutches of this Kafka-esque nightmare within at mo…

In Japan, I believe the police can hold you for up to three weeks without charge. AMA from someone who was held in Japan - http://www.reddit.com/r/japan/comments/1t09ud/did_time_in_a_...

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by jessedhillon »

roryokane wrote: post #510
LiveFrom wrote: post #465

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> This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. You're reading way too much into this. The OP's story is completely unrelated to "hacker" culture or the faux-libertarian belief system that is fashionable in SF/SV. The OP's story is a perfect example of what happens when people who believe they're smarter than everyone else play games with people who don't play games. Nothing more.…

I wouldn’t really say that the OP thought he was smarter than the police officers. He believed could clear up a misunderstanding just by talking – and that may be naive, but it’s not arrogant. Now, if he knew that he had done something wrong and thought he could argue his way out of trouble, that might be thinking he was smarter than those who would get him in trouble. But he was just trying to clear up a misundersta…

He was also assuming that he didn't have to follow direct commands given to him because he was in posession of certain facts which, if the officers were made aware of them, would certainly countermand those orders. To someone who is in authority giving commands, to have those commands received as polite requests or invitation to debate, that could easily be perceived as "this guy thinks he's smart (or in charge)"
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