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Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by ufo »

devgutt wrote: post #169

I think this is not the correct way to tackle the problem. Build a website in Portuguese will only divide instead of stimulate the participation of users which doesn't have English as native. I'd like to propose a different approach: For the users that speak Portuguese natively, make the questions, answers and comments all written in Portuguese FIRST, and, a English version MANDATORY afterwards (which would be the st…

I'm not sure you need to go through all that trouble to deduplicate questions, at least while the english SO is so much larger. Its very likely that any question in the PT stackoverflow will already have been asked in the English SO. In fact, I would say that its likely that most simple questions in SO have already been asked before with a different wording.

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by zhte415 »

soneca wrote: post #73

"It’s almost impossible to feel like part of a community if you’re not highly proficient in the language. Even non-native speakers who are fluent enough to read posts in their second or third languages often aren’t comfortable enough to write in them." Wow, this is true! I am brazilian and you have no idea how much effort I put in writing every single comment here on HN. And the longer de comment is, the more stupid…

> edit: I noticed I just wrote "de" instead of "the". Stupidest mistake I often make.

I've worked with a lot of developers from China, who themselves work with developers in India. On a conference call the China sysadmin announces they've verified the C Jia Jia environment and the India developer totally knows what they mean.

C++ in Mandarin is pronounced C Jia Jia.

Don't sweat it.

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by kudu »

zanny wrote: post #155
soneca wrote: post #73

"It’s almost impossible to feel like part of a community if you’re not highly proficient in the language. Even non-native speakers who are fluent enough to read posts in their second or third languages often aren’t comfortable enough to write in them." Wow, this is true! I am brazilian and you have no idea how much effort I put in writing every single comment here on HN. And the longer de comment is, the more stupid…

There is a real brutal grammar nazi trend I've been seeing recently on various sites - apparently, someone gets a buzz of self entitled superiority off of correcting someones grammar mistakes. Personally? I think English is insanely stupid, inefficient, and dumb. I speak it because I have to, not because I want to, because everyone else does it. If you think trying to get breakout success in a market with, say, a sof…

I wouldn't say Esperanto is 100% optimal, but it was created from scratch by linguists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by oofabz »

I think it's great to see North American developers reach out to their South American brethren. We spend so much time thinking about Europe and Asia that we often forget about our next door neighbors.

South America may not have such a high GDP, but they are also a lot more receptive to partnership. Europe and Asia mostly want to be left alone to do their own thing.

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by sdm »

sabbatic13 wrote: post #104
speeder wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My dad (that is a excellent programmer, and tried very hard for 20 years already to learn english and failed) disagree with you.

And your dad's alternative would be what? To balkanize science and engineering? To create dozens of separate islands of knowledge? To slow the spread of knowledge, because everything deemed significant has to be translated to and from 20 languages to gain general currency? How is one or even a thousand persons' inability to learn another language an argument for how science should be practiced?

Science and engineering are already "balkanized" by language -- at least with respect to Mandarin, Russian, and German.

I remember in uni taking "German for technical and scientific reading" courses just for that purpose. It make much more grow the communities than shut most people out because they don't speak English.

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

zhte415 wrote: post #182
soneca wrote: post #73

"It’s almost impossible to feel like part of a community if you’re not highly proficient in the language. Even non-native speakers who are fluent enough to read posts in their second or third languages often aren’t comfortable enough to write in them." Wow, this is true! I am brazilian and you have no idea how much effort I put in writing every single comment here on HN. And the longer de comment is, the more stupid…

> edit: I noticed I just wrote "de" instead of "the". Stupidest mistake I often make. I've worked with a lot of developers from China, who themselves work with developers in India. On a conference call the China sysadmin announces they've verified the C Jia Jia environment and the India developer totally knows what they mean. C++ in Mandarin is pronounced C Jia Jia. Don't sweat it.

Weird, I work in China and have never heard C++ referred to as C加加.

Many of my coworkers feel uncomfortable using English sometimes, but I never have a problem understanding them. The Indians speak English at work (in India at least) out of habit.

Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by [deleted] »

BoppreH wrote: post #69

Unintended consequence #1: duplicated questions. http://pt.stackoverflow.com/questions/4021/numero-de-vezes-q... http://stackoverflow.com/questions/21550842/amazon-cloudsear... Corollary: answer "arbitrage" (translating existing answers for duplicated questions).

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Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by [deleted] »

guelo wrote: post #86
rdtsc wrote: post #45

Programming specific I think is easier in English. I speak 3 languages and understand 4. Talking about programming, computer science and technology in non-Engish is awkward. It either is necessary to just use English terms anyway for every other noun or struggle with awkward translation of them. Things like kernel, doubly linked list, hash table, binary tree, greedy algorithm, they are all invented in English and whe…

I wonder how corporate programmers in non-english speaking countries communicate about programming. I would imagine that they use their local language for docs, commit descriptions, email lists, etc. I think most of the source code people can look at is for open source projects and they always go with english as the default even when there are mostly non-english speaking programmers. But what does it look inside priv…

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Re: Why Stack Overflow in Portuguese?

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Post by vmarsy »

ishener wrote: post #29

instead of starting a brand new stack overflow in another language they should think of some way of letting people translate questions & answers and earn karma for that. this way, like wikipedia, you can always go from one language to another for the translation

I was thinking the same thing, this would be a great feature.

You could get a few percentage of the karma of the original poster when the question/answer gets upvoted in the language you wrote it (And the original poster would get the karama too).

The karma would have the same value across all languages.

Users should be able to approve translations though

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