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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by pbreit »

herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Sounds like there is one major thing you did NOT learn: STFU!!! Why the heck would you engage in some much conversation with all the other random officers??

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by thatthatis »

You need to watch this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc

Once you're in custody you're in a system built to treat psychopaths and killers. The system isn't built to recognize your unique and brilliant capabilities. It's there to treat the lowest common denominator.

Reduce your surface area. Recognize that you are dealing with a system built to function by 1700s timescales.

This guy admits he screamed over and over that he wanted to see a doctor. He not only made himself a problem to be dealt with, he acted in such a way that they could defensibly put him in the psych ward. "he was screaming the same phrase over and over."

Reduce your surface area and remember the system is built to deliver eventual justice as often as possible, not immediate justice in your case.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by fuckpig »

swombat wrote: post #339
FD3SA wrote: post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. You say that, but this ideal world is the world I live in, and have lived in all my life. You should consider moving to Europe (U…

Europe is declining even faster than the USA. The worst part is that Europe is emulating the USA. Although I did find the recent Swiss immigration decision to be interesting.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by jusben1369 »

jrs99 wrote: post #411
thotpoizn wrote: post #375

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "...Cops improving a situation? Never seen it." I suspect that's really just an emotional lashing-out at a pervasive problem. But if it's not, I assure you - I have seen cops improve a situation, and I'm certain that others have too. I might be biased from watching cops running into the chaos of 9/11, while I was running away from it. Or from having my family protected from crazy, violent people while I was busy an…

are you black?

He states that he is pretty clearly.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by jjoonathan »

pessimizer wrote: post #490
jjoonathan wrote: post #450

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we just got done establishing that police officers have 1) The authority to imprison you on a whim and suffer no repercussions for exercising that authority in ways that judges and other police officers agree is excessive. 2) The authority to lie about what you said or didn't say and suffer no repercussions. There's a large cost associated with the "never talk to police" strategy, and it only starts to probabilis…

They can always lie about you. Control what you have control over. If you force them to lie, maybe you can force them to lie stupidly, and that may save you some point down the line. The point is that there is no way that talking will help you. They are trying to make a case against you.

There are many ways talking can help. It can help you avoid the police officer's discretionary punishments. It can help you avoid increased scrutiny that turns up something incriminating. It's less probable that it will help you avoid being punished due to a baldfaced lie on the part of the officer, since presumably the courts are good at filtering those out, but it's not impossible.

Once you require the services of a trial lawyer, the benefits of talking are off the table and the price of silence looks like pocket change. That's why you hear the advice "never talk to the police." Not because it's a good idea in general (try it next time you get a traffic ticket and tell me how it goes), but because it's a very bad idea in certain very specific cases, which happen to be precisely the cases seen by those giving the advice. Your prior probabilities are different, and your behavior should reflect that.

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Post by angersock »

debt wrote: post #469
andrewfelix wrote: post #460

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Replace the word 'cyclist' with 'driver', 'woman', 'jew' etc. See where I'm going with this? Your anecdotes are not evidence of a larger problem. All that you're doing is exposing your personal bias. Personally I notice a lot of bad drivers, but I'm not going to then leap to the ridiculous conclusion that drivers think they're above the law. Because there is larger percentage that I don't notice doing the right thing…

We're talking about people with a preference for bicycles not their religion, race or gender. And, yeah, you could replace it with driver, that one at least is valid. I don't know if you've heard of this rift between cyclists and motorists but it gets pretty heated and intense in urban areas. Typically the people pushing for legislative changes and updates to infrastructure are cyclists. Typically, those cyclists are…

In your desire to complain about cyclists (rightly or wrongly) you are blind to the abuse of a citizen that happened here.

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Post by malka »

fnordfnordfnord wrote: post #278
johngalt wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue with the idea 'some good cops vs some bad cops' is that the good ones will still protect and aid the bad ones.

> they 'good ones' will still protect and aid the 'bad ones'. Those aren't good cops.

but are those true scotish ?

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Post by gahh »

herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Gahh so sorry, but this is prime tl;dr material

As a rule, don't mouth off to cops

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by roryokane »

LiveFrom wrote: post #465
FD3SA wrote: post #309

This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. I consider myself part of the HN community because I hope for a society shaped by its ideals, but the real world is so far removed that time spent here becomes more of a therapeutic escape than anything else. I strongly recommend people study history, and understand human nature at both scientific and societal levels. There is too much…

> This is a perfect example of the disconnect between "hackers" and the real world. You're reading way too much into this. The OP's story is completely unrelated to "hacker" culture or the faux-libertarian belief system that is fashionable in SF/SV. The OP's story is a perfect example of what happens when people who believe they're smarter than everyone else play games with people who don't play games. Nothing more.…

I wouldn’t really say that the OP thought he was smarter than the police officers. He believed could clear up a misunderstanding just by talking – and that may be naive, but it’s not arrogant. Now, if he knew that he had done something wrong and thought he could argue his way out of trouble, that might be thinking he was smarter than those who would get him in trouble. But he was just trying to clear up a misunderstanding – he wasn’t trying to fool anyone using cleverness. If anything, the OP was assuming that the police officers were equally smart as him, and thus intelligent enough to distinguish a threat from a misunderstood bystander.
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