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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by glasz »

tolmasky wrote: post #165
zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

this little thread is a great example of brainwashed people of all breeds who just cant grasp the concept of liberty. they love to subject themselves to the status quo and its concepts, enforced by others. because it's so beautifully easy. so please, don't poke their world view!

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by gwern »

MrJagil wrote: post #400

All the Reddit kids are talking about a new site called The Marketplace, apparently very secure. http://www.reddit.com/r/themarketplace/comments/1tx26z/the_m... Anyone with more knowledge and less bias care to elaborate?

Multi-sig seems like it would prevent these problems of markets scamming their users, and thus far seems to have worked for TMP, but the major issue is that TMP hasn't been very popular because it's harder to use, and so we don't know how robust multi-sig is in practice.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by gwern »

EGreg wrote: post #273

Ummm seriously why do these marketplaces hold your bitcoins??? Don't they know bitcoins support m-of-n transactions? There should be a marketplace without the ability to have bitcoins stolen! It's rather straighforward people.

> There should be a marketplace without the ability to have bitcoins stolen!

There is at least one, and it's pretty well-known. You underestimate how much ordinary people don't want to deal with things like m-of-n transactions/multi-sig.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by novalis78 »

mpyne wrote: post #303
bmelton wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All due respect, you're missing the point. The 'monopoly of laws' to which the parent refers are the ones like those against home distillers -- such that you're allowed to buy a distillation device, you're allowed to buy corn, you're allowed to buy sugar, yeast, etc., but you're not allowed to put them altogether to make whiskey, despite that you're allowed to buy whiskey. Another example is the Lacey act, which, if…

> Even the most staunch of minarchists wouldn't generally repeal the 'base' laws, which are those laws that, if violated, infringe upon the rights of others. Libertarians do not, for example, suggest that murder should be legal -- everyone has the right to life. The set of laws is not really the problem then. Literally everyone agrees that "government should be as small as possible", the problem is that no one ever a…

"literally everyone agrees that 'government should be as small as possible". Coming from Europe, that strikes me as a fascinating American (I presume) statement. From countless conversations I (Libertarian leaning - something which I just discovered in the last few years, did not even know that such a thing existed before that) had in the past in various European countries I found that the size of government was usually completely irrelevant for most people and in fact the majority was in favor of laws, ideas, concepts, movements etc, that de facto would lead to more government and more laws. Sorry for the OT, just fascinated :-)

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by locusm »

redthrowaway wrote: post #228
zedshaw wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

>Ahahahahaah!... You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here. You can make the same argument without being an ass about it.

You are far too easily offended if that's being an ass.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by tolmasky »

jrockway wrote: post #401
Claudus wrote: post #334

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Theft can happen under any form of government, I'm not sure why you would think otherwise.

Yeah, my bank loses all my money all the time. If by all the time I mean "not once ever".

This is an astounding comment post-2008.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by adventured »

zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

Objectivism doesn't preach that there should be no government, no judicial, and or no police. You clearly don't understand Objectivism. First it has absolutely nothing to do with libertarianism, Ayn Rand was specifically clear about that, and wrote a lot on the subject. It has nothing to do with anarchy; it argues strongly in favor of a government that enforces ethical laws, including property rights (the war on drugs being as far away from ethical as you could possibly get).

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by amagumori »

zedshaw wrote: post #381
jacobtracey wrote: post #346

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It's the condescending way you write that makes you seem like an asshole... i.e saying "Hahahahah" all the time - I don't particularly disagree with your points but the insulting tone is unnecessary, don't you think?

First off, only my mother gets to tell me to "watch my tone". Random jackoffs online can go fuck themselves if they think they've earned my respect by default, especially if those same jackoffs use political rhetoric to harm and steal from others. My tone is simply a reaction to the tone of arrogance and superiority most objectivists and commenters take. If you don't want to be ridiculed, then don't write like a arro…

in the immortal words of The Dude - you're not wrong, zed, you're just an asshole. escalating discussions into flamewars by being unnecessarily inflammatory hurts the quality of the discussion for everyone.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by adventured »

zedshaw wrote: post #170
xenophanes wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> objectivist libertarians There is no such thing as an objectivist libertarian. Maybe you should learn what you're talking about before hating. Objectivism and libertarianism are separate opposing things. The Objectivist position on libertarians is very negative.

Links or it didn't happen! I mean hell, if every guy weirdly named Paul or Ron or Rand seems to have read Atlas Shrugged and calls him self a Libertarian, then I gotta go with combining the two.

That's not a very coherent argument.

Ayn Rand wrote for over two decades about how Objectivism was specifically opposed to the anarchy that is at the core of libertarian belief (formed by Rothbard & Co.).

You need to read up on subjects more before you try to talk about them with authority.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by sbfgb »

zedshaw wrote: post #394
bodski wrote: post #373

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Fuck off Zed, its just people selling drugs man, get over it. Not everyone agrees with prohibition. Between you and Miguel Icaaza there's enough 'Bitcoin schadenfraude' to power a small town.

Actually, I am against prohibition too, and against most drug laws, and definitely against applying them disproportionately. I'm an advocate for drug abuse being treated as a medical condition, for the sale of hard drugs only by prescription, and for any laws to be applied the same to whites, blacks, and corporations alike. I'm against famous people getting rehab while poor people get life sentences for possession. I…

I also have never done drugs, have never drank alcohol, never smoked

Go for it, it'll either make you less of a tool or cause you a life of suffering. Both sound good.

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