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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by baddox »

mpyne wrote: post #328
baddox wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't advocate a "tribes-and-warlords" system. I advocate a polycentric legal system which I believe would be better (for the vast majority of people, according to their own judgement of "better") than government systems like the US. I also do not believe that checks and balances work as I presume they were intended to.

Wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, I know you're not in favor of tribes and warlords. My point is more that it is the effect you'd get. As far as checks and balances I think it would be fair to say they are not working exactly as originally constructed. But that doesn't mean they're not working well, and it doesn't even mean that the original Framers would necessarily disapprove. The government wasn't even 20…

> My point is more that it is the effect you'd get.

And my point is that I disagree. :)

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by arg01 »

quadlock wrote: post #256
aaronem wrote: post #184

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Your common or garden libertarian will construct all manner of complex arguments as to how that isn't so, but there's really nothing in the philosophy which forbids it.

Wow! That's one of the two basic things. "reject the use of force or fraud to compel others except in response to force or fraud."

Yes that's great if everyone abides by your philosophy. But if we're doing that and expecting others to abide by it why is the statement not just "reject the use of force or fraud to compel others". The whole catch 22 is there is no central authority to enforce the philosophy unless you're expecting people to be angels but then you could say something similar about communism being a better system.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by rjbwork »

dwaltrip wrote: post #263
zedshaw wrote: post #159

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Swoosh! Right over your head. This is just so hilarious I can't stand it. Nothing is better than watching a true believer grasp clumsily at his beliefs as they slip from his grasp like a slimy eel.

It is somewhat disheartening to see that you are a long time member with truckloads of karma, and yet you feel free to post these brash, low quality comments. It is a shame I cannot down vote you.

He's actually a good author, speaker, writer, and dev community member. On the other hand, he's also got a pretty acerbic personality and likes profanity a lot.

What he has to say about things outside the realm of development in particular probably isn't going to be considered high-quality and tactful by the likes of you and me. But that's okay, because that's not why I've read/watched him and why he has lots of upvotes.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by mlvljr »

btilly wrote: post #224
zedshaw wrote: post #173

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"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

I've been having conversations on this topic recently with a libertarian who grew up in the Soviet Union. Let's just say, when you've seen laws and law enforcers monopolized by villains, it becomes quite hard to accept that justice is whatever the government and courts say it should be. While I personally like law and order, when the choice is mob justice or a police state, there are some definite advantages to mob j…

Local libertarians (I am coming from Russia) are indeed mostly crazy to the point of advocating social Darwinism and Ayn-Randianism as a means to a perfect future of the humanity (??), I was quite puzzled to know the "original" libertarians are quite different from that :)

Just my two commie copeikas...

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by corford »

baddox wrote: post #266
ewoodrich wrote: post #259

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Exactly. I only have to worry about being declared a criminal by one rather than [arbitrary number] of groups that I have literally no control over.

You would have much more control over a competitive market of groups. Your claim is like saying that you'd rather there only be a single restaurant available rather than a group of restaurants, because then you only have to worry about one restaurant poisoning you or otherwise providing bad service.

"You would have much more control over a competitive market of groups." In other words gangs? Are you seriously suggesting that we devolve back to paying protection money to the most "competitive" mafia family? What happens when one family finally emerges as the winner? Whoops... you're back to a monopoly only this time you can't vote them out because they'll murder you.

Christ. Some days I love reading HN and other days I feel like I'm looking through a window to a childishly naive bizarro world.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by jacobtracey »

zedshaw wrote: post #336
redthrowaway wrote: post #228

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>Ahahahahaah!... You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here. You can make the same argument without being an ass about it.

It's funny how me pointing out the stupidity and bullshit of a group of criminals makes me an asshole... But a guy who has actually lost people's money, put them at risk of reprisal from drug dealers, helped people (potentially young people) commit major crimes, enabled future addicts, and potentially is lying about the security flaw to steal all this money while spouting hypocritical contradictory statements...is a…

It's the condescending way you write that makes you seem like an asshole... i.e saying "Hahahahah" all the time - I don't particularly disagree with your points but the insulting tone is unnecessary, don't you think?

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by zedshaw »

ivanca wrote: post #315
zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

Why is this the top comment? ... Oh, the author.

No, because it's funny and points out the stupidity of most objectivist arguments using their own words. It's the same thing when we all found out the original DPR clumsily ordered overpriced hits on people after spouting off that he wanted a world free of violence. The universal thing about most of these people is that if they believe that everyone should only think of themselves then they cannot be trusted, yet people continue to hand them money and fealty. Eventually, as they continue to implement their flawed beliefs and then scam everyone people will start to realize that a self-interested world view is immediately illogical and not to be trusted.

Then again, the ability of many humans to believe completely illogical bullshit is astounding.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by mpyne »

redthrowaway wrote: post #42
short_circut wrote: post #4

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That is roughly what I thought when I saw this. These people are dealing with criminal enterprises. What do they expect?

SR1 was a criminal enterprise as well, and there's no indication DPR was stealing from his users. Trust is at least as valuable in the criminal world as it is in legitimate enterprise, if not more so. A criminal who runs a trustworthy criminal enterprise is likelier to do well in the long run than one who rips off his customers.

But there was indications that DPR was murdering people who got in his way. Hardly an "ethical upcheck" here, and if he didn't steal from his users it was only because he didn't feel it necessary, not because he felt ethically bound for that.

In fact ensuring the ideal of SR paying out fairly would allow his business to grow and therefore his lack of theft could easily be entirely and completely pragmatic without needing a shred of ethics to support it.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by ossreality »

zedshaw wrote: post #336
redthrowaway wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Ahahahahaah!... You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here. You can make the same argument without being an ass about it.

It's funny how me pointing out the stupidity and bullshit of a group of criminals makes me an asshole... But a guy who has actually lost people's money, put them at risk of reprisal from drug dealers, helped people (potentially young people) commit major crimes, enabled future addicts, and potentially is lying about the security flaw to steal all this money while spouting hypocritical contradictory statements...is a…

> put them at risk of reprisal from drug dealers, helped people (potentially young people) commit major crimes, enabled future addicts

Oh Zed, even if anything else you were saying is right this just makes you sound like an idiot or an aggrandizing asshole. Then again, I remember my audience.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by girvo »

dobbsbob wrote: post #276
sillysaurus2 wrote: post #125

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If SR was re-issuing coins automatically, it's because they were being intentionally stupid. MtGox was re-issuing coins automatically. Due to this, Gox has lost money. Possibly a huge amount. Were they being intentionally stupid, or just stupid? Source: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7222690 This transaction malleability flaw is certainly a convenient excuse. But if these people implemented their wallet softwar…

I'm surprised they had any kind of online wallet. You'd think you would do manual transactions with offline keys if running a blackmarket, or the very least multiple sigs for any hot wallet.

Multi sgi is exactly what The Marketplace has done, as well as not keeping BTC in an online wallet. It hasn't taken off, unfortunately.
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