> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…
If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Agreed. But then get away from the scene ASAP once anyone officious turns up.
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#322Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity where did they get you for running the red light specifically?
Flushing Ave, on my way to the Manhattan Bridge. The specific light, hilariously, has only a lefthand turn when going towards Manhattan.
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#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
Arrested. NYC. Turnstile ducking. No Miranda rights. Zero crim history. Mugshot. Prints. Solitary 5 hours. I recommend you listen to this if you're wondering why (apart from bullshit police state) people like us are getting arrested for petty offences: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/414/r...
Just a quick clarification since people assume Miranda Warning is required, it is only required before interrogation. If they visually watched you duck turn style they don't have much reason to interrogate you about it and will skip Miranda. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miranda_warning Edit: See the section called "The six rules"
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#325Never talk to/Interact with cops unless asked directly.
Never call 911 unless there is a threat to life, risk of serious imminent injury to you or to family. If you have to do it for a bystander, call 911 ANON & LEAVE. The chances of tracking you down if you are truly uninvolved are remote - OTOH if you hang around and expect a pat on the back....
The cops are generally working under totally different incentives than your well-being. A surprisingly large number are also Bullies and Thugs on a power trip.
The best outcome is that you are left alone - the worst is ...well you can imagine many, many horrible things including loss of life.
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#326I know Peretz personally and he's one of the most rational people I've ever met. There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there, but what happened afterwards is unquestionably wrong. This is who the police stripped naked and put in jail: http://www.brandeis.edu/magazine/2013/spring/featured-storie... This is not a person we should fear. I und…
"There's some question as to whether he should've left the scene or not and I think there's some discussion to be had there" What a weird place America must be.
A lot of Americans presume "not unlawful orders" or "reasonable orders" to be presumed legal, if those orders come from a law enforcement officer, but in actuality, most lawful orders that are given are not lawful as they are not predicated on authority. If an officer tells you to leave your home, for example, that is not a lawful order unless you're under arrest, or if you're interfering with their effecting a warranted search. As such, people see orders like "Go stand over there" as being followed on television shows, and assume that the state (or its officers) have the authority to tell you where to stand. Generally speaking, they do not, usually.
The problem is in the myriad of exceptions -- we have the freedom to assemble, generally, but that assembly must be lawful. It's pretty obvious to say that we don't have the freedom to assemble on a trafficked highway, for example. Similarly, many 'free speech zones' require permits for use. That may seem unlawful, where those permitted places are common areas, but their issuance is predicated on the idea that if a 'pro' group and an 'anti' group are attempting to protest in the same space, then violence might reasonably ensue. The fix for that is to permit the space, and permit issuance is done on a first-come basis. The contra-position there is that the opposing protestors are effectively allowed to protest _anywhere but within the permitted space_, so, across the street is generally fine, and is also generally does not require a permit. A police officer at a protest may well be making a lawful order if you're in the wrong assembly area.
So yeah, it's interesting, and it's completely convoluted, and while I generally scoff at people who don't know even the basics, it's pretty near impossible to understand the intricacies of what does or doesn't comprise a lawful order depending on a myriad of circumstances. To be sure though, I think it's safe to say that most lawful orders are in fact not predicated on any actual authority, and are hence unlawful.
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#327My girlfriend lives right there. We go to that bar sometimes. She recently broke her elbow on a bike accident. We would of called 911 in the same situation. This could of easily been me and her. Wow. What can I do!?
You call the cops/ambulance. This one experience, even if 100% true, is not necessarily indicative of the entire system.
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#328> Don’t call 911. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the sad lesson is, there are fewer than you’d think. Are you fucking kidding me? Do NOT listen to this advice. If you see someone injured, CALL 911! Do NOT move the person if there is suspicion of spinal or head injury. Wait for the HIGHLY TRAINED emergency response team to show up. > Call Lyft to take you to the hospital. (Worked well when I broke my elbow.) Are…
What the fuck is going on here? Is one of my office mates pranking me with a man-in-the-middle attack and then trolling me hard? Or are there really that many retards on this forum?
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#329After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…
As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.
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#330Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…
In NY it is a "violation" of the law for most traffic offenses. Technically you can be arrested for any traffic infraction but in practice they give you a ticket. Upon conviction you can be imprisoned for up to 15 days. With violations the officer has 100% discretion about what to do. They can decide not to write a ticket/arrest someone for any reason. This officer was obviously a bad officer that is on a power trip…
[Edit: Thank you to OP for sharing, and my heart goes out for your exp]