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Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by BlackDeath3 »

jessaustin wrote: post #258
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I had twenty-five responses to give, and many of the posts I've responded to were directed (if only implicitly) at me. It would be rude of me to ignore such intelligent discussion. Quid pro quo.

A: I'm not mentally ill. Since I've submitted to your analysis, a turn about is fair play. I think you are a cop. You'd like to think you are good, which is understandable, because most people would like to think that. You realize that you are judged, often unfairly, by various parties. You find yourself valuing the judgment of fellow officers most, but occasionally you are surprised and disappointed by the opinion o…

I argue for the existence of good police, therefore I'm a cop and a law student?

Unfortunately for yourself, your off-the-cuff analysis is quite far off the mark. I do appreciate your trying though, as I've never had the pleasure of having somebody so publicly try to profile me. It was fun!

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Post by talon88 »

drcube wrote: post #41
BlackDeath3 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course there are others. There are also many people having pleasant experiences with cops every day - they don't make it to the top of Hacker News.

Really? Who has pleasant experiences with cops besides other cops? Honest question.

I have had just about nothing but pleasant experiences with the cops. I was an EMT for three years, and the cops that I worked with on a daily basis were the ones that got me — and others, including druggies that ODed, domestic violence victims, and suicide-attempts home at night.

Of course, the natural extension is to say 'well, who has pleasant experiences with cops besides other cops and EMTs and firefighters'?

Even after I moved out here to SF and into Bayview, I still had good experiences with them, meeting them on walks home and pulling up next to them on my motorcycle.

Yes, there are bad cops, and we see articles like this, but that doesn't mean that all cops are bad, and saying 'all of them are fucking pigs' undermines the entire system, and only makes things worse. The bad cops should be ejected from the system, the good cops should be commended. The system itself isn't broken, and treating it like it is just makes it worse.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by methodover »

I had a similar initial situation -- I was in North Oakland, in the Rockridge area, when I observed a traffic accident. I safely parked, exited my vehicle and rendered aid to the two injured individuals involved in the accident.

Police and Fire were called. I hung around for more than an forty-five minutes. Oakland PD was nothing but kind and understanding. They did not ask me to leave. They took my story, and the story of other witnesses. They made sure everyone was okay. They helped direct traffic. They were fine officers.

Is Oakland PD better than San Francisco PD? I've considered moving from Oakland to SF -- but if the police department is so terrible that most people recommend never calling the police, then I might want to stay away for that reason alone.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by rcsorensen »

BlackDeath3 wrote: post #89
kelnos wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are the good cops when things like this happen? Why don't they speak out? Why don't they throw their bad-cop colleagues under the bus? Nope. The supposed good cops are bad too.

I'll respond to this in the same way that I responded to another user posing the same questions. Who says that they don't speak out about this sort of stuff? How many good cops do condemn this behavior? How many of them do you not hear about? What happens to cops who condemn other cops?

If you are a police officer tasked with enforcing the law, and you see coworkers of yours breaking the law by kidnapping people like the one in the OP, why would you not arrest your coworkers?

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by moheeb »

AngrySkillzz wrote: post #234
incision wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>"White America welcome to black America." Pretty much. I was honestly dumbstruck by the naiveté expressed as soon as the action starts. "She turned to me and abruptly said that I was not needed as a witness and should leave immediately. I told her we were headed home, just across the way, when my friend and I encountered the accident; and that I’d recently broken my elbow in a similar bike accident here and deeply c…

Basic rules like "have no compassion" and "respect people with guns?"

No...more like "leave when the cops show up". What is some drunk yahoo gonna do to help after the call has been made?

I'm sure the cops have all kinds of anecdotes about how helpful the drunks loitering around a scene at 1AM are!

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Post by talon88 »

doorty wrote: post #195

My girlfriend lives right there. We go to that bar sometimes. She recently broke her elbow on a bike accident. We would of called 911 in the same situation. This could of easily been me and her. Wow. What can I do!?

You call the cops/ambulance. This one experience, even if 100% true, is not necessarily indicative of the entire system.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by laura2013 »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #44
GuiA wrote: post #26

Necessary link to Pr. Duane's lecture: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc Don't talk to the police. Ever.

Video all interactions with police more serious than a traffic stop and video those if you can get away with it legally. Cameras are cheap and Internet streaming is easy.

recording of police is illegal in many cities - and i mean the voice recording. unless there's an app that lets u record without sound i'd say do not record.

Re: How I Ended Up In Solitary After Calling 911 For Help

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Post by fnordfnordfnord »

johngalt wrote: post #139
cdelsolar wrote: post #68

One thousand good cops do not make up for one bad cop. Cops nearly ruined my life in 2006. I will write about it someday, but suffice it to say, I am out at least $30K (didn't bother doing the math because it's too depressing) and still paying for something I ABSOLUTELY HAD NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH. My only mistake was saying anything besides "I would like to speak with a lawyer" over and over. Do not speak to cops,…

The issue with the idea 'some good cops vs some bad cops' is that the good ones will still protect and aid the bad ones.

> they 'good ones' will still protect and aid the 'bad ones'.

Those aren't good cops.

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Post by herbig »

deathhand wrote: post #266
herbig wrote: post #240

Back in November, I was arrested in Brooklyn for running a red light on my bike while on my way to work in Manhattan. Normally you're given a ticket and let go, but in this instance, the officers took issue with the fact that I was not carrying ID. Both officers told me that I "could be arrested for not having ID." For clarification, I asked if it was a city, state, or national law, and the officers adamantly maintai…

Out of curiosity where did they get you for running the red light specifically?

Flushing Ave, on my way to the Manhattan Bridge. The specific light, hilariously, has only a lefthand turn when going towards Manhattan.

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Post by jessaustin »

pessimizer wrote: post #148
yardie wrote: post #46

After reading the first paragraph I already knew where this was headed. White America welcome to black America. You'll be arrested for nothing at all. The first time it happens you'll be really upset and threaten to sue, and file a police report. And when you do there will be some sort of roadblock, they won't have the forms, the officer in question wasn't on shift that night, the detective is quite hostile to you, t…

As a black programmer, I remember the cliche about problems and regular expressions in my head as "regular expressions are like calling the cops." That's unfair to regular expressions, though, because I actually have seen them solve a problem before. Cops improving a situation? Never seen it.

LOL you win the thread. "Unfair to regular expressions", that's comedy gold.
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