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Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by interstitial »

MartinCron wrote: post #176
tolmasky wrote: post #165

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I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

I honestly don't get this. If there isn't a monopoly on laws and law enforcement, does that mean that victims of crimes should be able to shop around to get the law enforcement agency that they want? Should the accused? Is there any historical precedent for anything like this actually working?

Ask patent trolls about shopping around.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by kaonashi »

xenophanes wrote: post #194
zedshaw wrote: post #170

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Links or it didn't happen! I mean hell, if every guy weirdly named Paul or Ron or Rand seems to have read Atlas Shrugged and calls him self a Libertarian, then I gotta go with combining the two.

Not sure if you're joking. It's easy to google, e.g. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ar_libertari... > What was Ayn Rand’s view of the libertarian movement? > Ayn Rand was opposed to the libertarian movement of her time. Details follow.

We're talking about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rothbard libertarians, not classical libertarianism.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by StavrosK »

emhart wrote: post #94
swalsh wrote: post #76

My favorite part of bitcoin is just how wild west it always feels. Real money, in very massive quantities is stolen, and there's no authorities who will do anything about it. Old school scams are new again. Crashes happen on a monthly basis. I'm staying out of it in any serious quantities because frankly i'm having too much fun watching it.

It's even more fun with skin in the game.

That's true, I had half a bitcoin from back when it was worth $20, and I'm having loads of fun with it.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by zanny »

cleaver wrote: post #198
tolmasky wrote: post #165

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I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

Serious question: Would it be safe to say that not all self-professed libertarians agree on the definition of libertarianism? I've suspected this is the case.

Liberals and conservatives won't agree on their defintions either. Communism has been routinely redefined throughout history. A philosophy of society is always a malleable nebulous concept.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by waterlesscloud »

beedogs wrote: post #199
waterlesscloud wrote: post #149

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It's basically a bunch of assumptions and misapprehensions stacked up so he can hate on one of the tribes other than his own. You know, what passes for politics these days.

Typical libertarian response: why bother refuting anything zedshaw said when you can just attack him personally?

There is no personal attack here.

I am, however, strongly condemning the approach he's taken to discussing the topic.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by MrZongle2 »

zedshaw wrote: post #159
_Adam wrote: post #154

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What I find actually amazing isn't your ignorance, your misunderstanding of Objectivism, Libertarianism, and Silk Road denizens. Nor do I find amazing your inability to separate the individual from the collective. No, what I find actually amazing is that despite all that you still believed you could make a meaningful comment.

Swoosh! Right over your head. This is just so hilarious I can't stand it. Nothing is better than watching a true believer grasp clumsily at his beliefs as they slip from his grasp like a slimy eel.

This is just so hilarious I can't stand it.

The troll doth protest too much, methinks.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by toolz »

zedshaw wrote: post #173
tolmasky wrote: post #165

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I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

"they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers" Ahahahahaah! That's the same as not having laws! And even then, what you're saying is they believe someone should bring this guy to justice...and then do nothing to him. Then it's not justice. You're killing me my friends. Just killing me here.

..and this my friends is what political discussion looks like.

You know, even if you were/are/will become right, laughing at someone else's ideals benefits no one. It just deepens the abyss that separates logic from political differences.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by dnautics »

ploxiln wrote: post #197
zedshaw wrote: post #153

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Yes he is! In fact he appeals to morality just about every other sentence. It's rather hilarious.

Libertarianism has a lot of morality, it's just a different morality. That morality is to maximize independence of each individual. Obviously that's not a promotion of murder, nor a neutrality against murder (as an example of one moral), it's absolutely against the imposition of one will "unfairly" on another, through violence. It would characterize needlessly violent drug busts by swat teams as such imposition of wi…

Hm, but libertarians also believe in the right to free association. I'd say the morality of libertarianism is:

'political power should be viewed with greater skepticism than any other form of indirect power'

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by kolbe »

jfasi wrote: post #3

Given illegal nature of Silk Road 2, I can't help but be suspicious of this explanation of the hack. If someone's sufficiently willing to flaunt laws as to operate a site devoted to selling contraband, what stops them from taking advantage of their position of power and stealing from their users?

How about self-interest? SR2 was not a very big site, and building a much larger business based on being a good operator of an underground market would earn him significantly more money than what he would have made by stealing the funds.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by redthrowaway »

spinlock wrote: post #87
redthrowaway wrote: post #42

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SR1 was a criminal enterprise as well, and there's no indication DPR was stealing from his users. Trust is at least as valuable in the criminal world as it is in legitimate enterprise, if not more so. A criminal who runs a trustworthy criminal enterprise is likelier to do well in the long run than one who rips off his customers.

did DPR do well in the long run?

DPR's failure was opsec, not trustworthiness. Dishonest criminals get caught due to poor opsec, too.
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