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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by jadeddrag »

zedshaw wrote: post #153
apalmer wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point, but I think you are missing the glaring nuance here... He is basically saying if you are reading this and you were affected its in your best interest to participate in catching this guy and 'persuading' him to give us the bitcoins... he isnt appealing to government or some over arching entity or morality.

Yes he is! In fact he appeals to morality just about every other sentence. It's rather hilarious.

I think you're assuming his appeals to morality is the same as asking for government intervention. In fact, I read this just the opposite, and I would bet this is exactly NOT what he is asking for.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by webkike »

zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

Most of these people use libertarianism as a guise. They're drug dealers and consumers. That's it.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by NathanKP »

emhart wrote: post #94
swalsh wrote: post #76

My favorite part of bitcoin is just how wild west it always feels. Real money, in very massive quantities is stolen, and there's no authorities who will do anything about it. Old school scams are new again. Crashes happen on a monthly basis. I'm staying out of it in any serious quantities because frankly i'm having too much fun watching it.

It's even more fun with skin in the game.

Just remember to never invest more than you can afford to lose.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by xenophanes »

zedshaw wrote: post #170
xenophanes wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> objectivist libertarians There is no such thing as an objectivist libertarian. Maybe you should learn what you're talking about before hating. Objectivism and libertarianism are separate opposing things. The Objectivist position on libertarians is very negative.

Links or it didn't happen! I mean hell, if every guy weirdly named Paul or Ron or Rand seems to have read Atlas Shrugged and calls him self a Libertarian, then I gotta go with combining the two.

Not sure if you're joking. It's easy to google, e.g. http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=ar_libertari...

> What was Ayn Rand’s view of the libertarian movement?

> Ayn Rand was opposed to the libertarian movement of her time.

Details follow.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by [deleted] »

foxhill wrote: post #172
zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

this is seriously the most hilarious response to a hacker news thread i have seen in a long time. it's got it all; > Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians wild conjecture? you bet. > who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest please, tell me, what else do they think? perhaps next you can tell me what i think, i'd love to hear it. > We need the gov…

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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by [deleted] »

zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

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Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by ploxiln »

zedshaw wrote: post #153
apalmer wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point, but I think you are missing the glaring nuance here... He is basically saying if you are reading this and you were affected its in your best interest to participate in catching this guy and 'persuading' him to give us the bitcoins... he isnt appealing to government or some over arching entity or morality.

Yes he is! In fact he appeals to morality just about every other sentence. It's rather hilarious.

Libertarianism has a lot of morality, it's just a different morality. That morality is to maximize independence of each individual. Obviously that's not a promotion of murder, nor a neutrality against murder (as an example of one moral), it's absolutely against the imposition of one will "unfairly" on another, through violence. It would characterize needlessly violent drug busts by swat teams as such imposition of will through violence.

Clearly, you're an ultra-liberal. That's fine, but you don't have to be illogical, come on.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by cleaver »

tolmasky wrote: post #165
zedshaw wrote: post #133

This is seriously the most hilarious thing I have read in a long time. Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest who run an illegal website devoted to the pure greed of cashing in on contraband, and this is what they write: "I’ve included transaction logs at the bottom of this message. Review the vendor’s dis…

I think you have a deep misunderstanding of libertarianism (which is your right of course). Libertarians don't necessarily not believe in laws, they simply don't believe in a monopoly of laws and law enforcers. This is kind of the whole point. Its clear that in your world view "justice" is somehow inexorably tied to government, but there others that disagree (which leads to your confusion in thinking that because som…

Serious question: Would it be safe to say that not all self-professed libertarians agree on the definition of libertarianism? I've suspected this is the case.

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by beedogs »

waterlesscloud wrote: post #149
unethical_ban wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of strawmen in your argument is staggering.

It's basically a bunch of assumptions and misapprehensions stacked up so he can hate on one of the tribes other than his own. You know, what passes for politics these days.

Typical libertarian response: why bother refuting anything zedshaw said when you can just attack him personally?

Re: Silk Road 2 Hacked, All Bitcoins Stolen

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Post by kolbe »

zedshaw wrote: post #181
foxhill wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this is seriously the most hilarious response to a hacker news thread i have seen in a long time. it's got it all; > Here we have a group of objectivist libertarians wild conjecture? you bet. > who believe that there should be effectively no laws other than the law of economics and self-interest please, tell me, what else do they think? perhaps next you can tell me what i think, i'd love to hear it. > We need the gov…

Haha, Ted Bundy? The ultimate strawman slippery slope argument! Oh so good, all your defenses do nothing but point out the deeper contradictions in the statements. Seriously go back and read your replies to my replies. They're even funnier.

In the sense that we're actually laughing with him, yeah his is funnier.
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