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Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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'If downvoting meant "you are wrong", then it would be kinda like a black-hole if it weren't accompained by a reply, because the obvious follow-up question "why is that wrong?" would go un-answered, and thus nobody learns.' On Reddit, since they added in the "suppress entire thread once the parent goes below -4", yes. On HN, which never suppresses the thread, no. I for one occasionally check even the -8 posts, though…

On reddit when things go to -8 it's for one reason only: They are pro religion, or pro israel, or conservative. (OK, that's 3, but it's basically the same thing.) On reddit stupid stuff usually gets a plus vote, and people express agree/disagree via votes. This is NOT the way HN is run, and people coming here from reddit have a hard time adjusting. So we need threads like this approximately monthly. Maybe PG can requ…

Having “come here from Reddit” some time ago, I can vouch that for newly arrived redditors this is moot, since I’m still not offered a downvote button.

I’d guess that by the time the downvote button shows up, most people should have had time to realize HN generally offers more interesting discussion because it works the way Reddiquette FAQ says Reddit should work: do not downvote points of view.

// Now I’ll go back to lurking.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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post #55

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Comments that are factually wrong should go to 0 and no lower ! Below 0 is only for spam and things like "Me too".

I disagree -- someone else could come along and upvote it again. Since HN reports the final number, not +/-, information is lost.

Yes. I'd really like to have: "$upvotes - $downvotes = $score". I wonder if the past upvotes and downvotes count for each comment is stored in the database or just the final score figures?

I posted this on the suggestions page long ago: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=107060 It has only 20 points, I don't know if it means almost nobody else wants that...

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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Thoughtful comments that are factually wrong should be downvoted. Seriously. If your code doesn't compile, the compiler doesn't care how much effort it took you to write it...

I upvote comments that are factually wrong, but where the phenomenon of someone on HN saying it interests me.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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It would be very interesting to see a list of the top 50 or so downmodding offenders next to a list of their "karma score" (or whatever it's called here). Even anonymous statistics would be interesting. Some people are just mean because they can be.

I'll second this with one minor caveat. They're not necessarily "downmodding offenders" until proven as such by the data you're requesting. They're just the top 50 downvoters.

Down-modding is not what brings the interesting conversations out of the woodwork; up-modding does. So they are "downmodding offenders", especially if the comment was previously up-modded from its original default score.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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Wrt create and bitdiddle, downvote seems like the appropriate response. It appears that create is factually wrong, and bitdiddle was saying something irrelevant about stock price. Wrt your comments on the 1984-Amazon-copyrights thing, I think you have something there. HN has too many people who think copyright laws are bad. Many here even seem to think that the GPL is bad (see comments on Zed's GPL rant). And many of…

Got to say I love the quote "no light generated here, only heat". Did you just make that up? It's a great quote for discussion groups.

I feel it as a pun on a well-known idiom in other languages, that would translate verbatim to more about smoke than fire i.e. something of no substance or use, most often discussion. It is a certainly saying in my native language.
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