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The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#21

Is he charged with anything? I only saw a reference to a "terrorist threat", what kind of fucked up country is one that gets you ten years in jail for joking about committing a crime? Don't you actually have to commit the crime to go to prison, usually?

Not at all. Thousands of innocent people at sitting in our jails as we speak. Most of them will never be free. But that's beside the point.

He's not in prison, he's in jail, and there's a big difference.

Depending on the circumstances, you could sit in jail your whole life while you await some technical process to complete. You don't even have to be charged with anything.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#22
This is disturbing. They arrest the guy and sentenced to ten years in jail with just a screenshot of a Facebook comment as a starting evidence. It's kinda puzzling to me why didn't they manage to check the whole thread? I think it's simple enough and contacting Facebook for it is not needed.

What's the topic of the thread? We don't know.

Edit: Let's also not disregard the fact that the screenshot can be all made up. They can't find the thread. Maybe it was edited, or created through Photoshop. I think it's fairly easy.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#23

Is he charged with anything? I only saw a reference to a "terrorist threat", what kind of fucked up country is one that gets you ten years in jail for joking about committing a crime? Don't you actually have to commit the crime to go to prison, usually?

Yes, you have to commit the crime - but that can mean a lot of things, including planning or threatening some other crime. Conspiracy is still a crime, for example.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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While they're at it why not arrest every musician, poet, and writer who ever penned dark or violent writing.

There's a notable difference between writing a book and publishing an announcement that you're going to go on a killing spree. The former is relatively benign, the latter has far too often been done right before a killing spree. The former is done over time, in relative peace; the latter is done in the spur of the moment. It's like writing the Anarchist's Cookbook about how to make a bomb, and writing a tweet about h…

>the latter has far too often been done right before a killing spree.

Basic Bayesian approach to probability tells us that this metric of predicting violent events is counter-productive due to a great number of false positives.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

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I think anyone agrees that this whole situation has been blown out of proportion on a massive scale. But threatening to shoot up a school, in the light of recent events... really? What if he actually DID shoot up a school, and afterwards people discovered that authorities WERE warned? People need to realize that what you post on the internet can be interpreted different than what you actually meant. Besides, threaten…

> Besides, threatening with an act of terrorism is never funny, and always a bad idea.

That's a little narrow-minded. I can easily imagine scenarios where it's funny and/or a fairly good idea.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#26
> Until that point, his only brush with the law was a temporary restraining order two years earlier.

> "He started threatening me, saying that he would kill me. ... I told the school officers, [and] they started watching him really closely. He would say that he would shoot up the school."

So I'll start by playing Devil's Advocate very briefly. It's interesting how facts can be shaped with different language ("his only brush with the law"): it appears the restraining order from two years prior related to similar threats to those alleged in the Facebook comments (although in a remarkably different context).

Now that notwithstanding, it seems there are many glaring issues, both ethical and legal, with the way this has been handled.

Based on a screenshot of a Facebook comment without context or verification from Facebook an 18 year-old was detained for months without trial, including his 19th birthday, and offered a plea bargain of 8 years jail (!). An unaffordable bail of $500k was set, and if not for media attention, pro bono counsel, and a generous anonymous donor he would still be detained. During his detention he was repeatedly sexually assaulted, withheld legal counsel, and coerced to confess with false promises of freedom. After media focus an offer of 10 years (!) probation was put forward.

On a technical note, the original warrant included false testimony (matching of the Facebook profile picture to a driver's licence when the accused did not have a licence) and the indictment misquoted the original Facebook comment.

How does anyone think this is reasonable?

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#27

I think anyone agrees that this whole situation has been blown out of proportion on a massive scale. But threatening to shoot up a school, in the light of recent events... really? What if he actually DID shoot up a school, and afterwards people discovered that authorities WERE warned? People need to realize that what you post on the internet can be interpreted different than what you actually meant. Besides, threaten…

I agree with you. But I think we don't know the whole context of the thread. Let's give him a benefit of the doubt. The thread topic which we don't know is really important in this case.

My creative mind is thinking, what if the topic is like this... "What is the worst thing you imagine that you can't ever do?" And then he replied that way.

Also, I don't get it why didn't manage to see the whole thread? I guess it is sort of publicly available and can be accessed without even contacting the Facebook authorities.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#28

I think anyone agrees that this whole situation has been blown out of proportion on a massive scale. But threatening to shoot up a school, in the light of recent events... really? What if he actually DID shoot up a school, and afterwards people discovered that authorities WERE warned? People need to realize that what you post on the internet can be interpreted different than what you actually meant. Besides, threaten…

The problem is that it's not a crime to be an idiot.

A lonely teenager who's already angsty gets into a flame war with an internet troll. That happens every day. And much worse things are said between people.

What happened here is a dumb kid was dumb, and either the troll or some busy-body made the call to the cops. And, more importantly, an over-achieving DA with aspirations of being a district court judge thought this case could make her career - "Stopped a terrorist threat" would be a great line in her website, and she will get a whole bunch of publicity down in not-shit-ever-really-happensville Texas. Meaning she will be able to use this to campaign on later if she prevails.

None of this is about the idiot kid. It's all about political ambition and cops doing what they do best - terrorize the weak and the innocent.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#29

> Until that point, his only brush with the law was a temporary restraining order two years earlier. > "He started threatening me, saying that he would kill me. ... I told the school officers, [and] they started watching him really closely. He would say that he would shoot up the school." So I'll start by playing Devil's Advocate very briefly. It's interesting how facts can be shaped with different language ("his onl…

Important to point out, re the restraining order, that according to the article he wasn't given the opportunity to respond to the charges made against him. Restraining orders aren't convictions, I am surprised that it seems they can be used as evidence given that they apparently do not imply any finding of fact.

Re: The Facebook Comment That Ruined a Life

#30

> Until that point, his only brush with the law was a temporary restraining order two years earlier. > "He started threatening me, saying that he would kill me. ... I told the school officers, [and] they started watching him really closely. He would say that he would shoot up the school." So I'll start by playing Devil's Advocate very briefly. It's interesting how facts can be shaped with different language ("his onl…

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