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Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by agumonkey »

davidnu wrote: post #17
louhike wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a french, I'm quite surprised about what you are saying for France. We have a lot of satirical newspapers, TV shows, etc. Where have you seen that?

What about that French comedian that has your government exploring ways to ban his act? his material maybe reprehensible but in the US he'd have first amendment protection. Your country also has draconian and stringent liable laws, and I don't want it to have anything to do with Internet governance.

Don't mind this story. It is 10% social pacification[1] and 90% hopeless PR stunt conflating many issues into one for they're barely capable of managing anything else. If they ever spend time on low-hanging things like this they will create more pain for themselves.

[1] there were many people diverting his 'jokes' into offensive acts, not by his call but he kept the heater on when asked to tame it down.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by marcosdumay »

waps wrote: post #41
Implicated wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

*when

Exactly what they have been doing all along : complain about NSA spying. Wasn't that obvious from the press release ? > In the wake of large-scale Internet surveillance and reduced trust in the internet, the European Commission today proposes a key reform to the way the Internet is managed and run. The proposal calls for more transparent, accountable and inclusive governance. This is the justification. What do they w…

Ok, you notice that it's about putting numbers and names at the UN, not the EU, right? Also:

> In other words the power to force anyone off the internet

Yes, they want to take that power away from the US government, and give it to a UN forum. Don't pretend that power does not exist today, or that it isn't used.

> I read this as that they are aware that ICANN and IANA have no real power.

I read this as a bunch of gliberish that politicians use to make their documents look good. But if it is related to peering agreements, like you said, yep, there is a history of trying to break the current peering agreement, and break the current US monopoly on tier 1 ISPs.

> Now this one is REALLY important. I read this to mean they want to know how they can impose European law globally through technical means.

I read this to mean they want to make an agreement on a minimum of things that must be allowed on every country, like the one on aviation. Currently there are countries where you don't even need to go there to be sentenced to jail, for example. And there is a huge number of issues with taxation.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by marcosdumay »

oleganza wrote: post #10

"globalise key decision-making (for example the coordination of domain names and IP addresses) to safeguard the stability, security and resilience of the Internet" Sounds like they want to make the internet a more centrally-controlled thing "to protect you better". Internet does not need any central oversight and regulation. People just need freedom to move their bytes around as cheap as possible. We are capable to f…

Sorry to break your bubble, but the Internet has a centralized oversight and regulation already.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by polymatter »

cLeEOGPw wrote: post #22

I don't know whether to agree with this or not. On one hand, a control point can easily be exploited by governments to censor and control users. On other, uncontrolled internet tends to form around where money is. And money is again in the governments that have enough to turn internet to their advantage. EC would be better after all, because that way we have to fight not with multibillion dollars of investments from…

"while electing commission members". Minor point, but EU Commissioners are not elected. They are appointed by national governments, 1 per state. MEPs are elected, but have significantly less power than EU Commissioners.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by robin_reala »

davidnu wrote: post #24
Signez wrote: post #16

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> make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. What? I'm sorry but I think you don't know anything about France, french politics, citizens or whatever related to the Hexagon.

You don't have a free speech clause in your constitutions that is above all else (neither does the UK). You ban or at least attempt to ban questionable comedy/satire. You have ridiculous liable laws (so does the UK). You're government mustn't be allowed within a mile (1.60934 km) of an Internet governing body.

To be fair, the UK doesn’t have a right to free speech in its constitution because it doesn’t have a constitution at all.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by pessimizer »

bausson wrote: post #80
valarauca1 wrote: post #20

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The French Government had videos of Police officers mocking minorities removed from various news organizations. Law for Trust in the Digital Economy (LCEN) Article 18 grants the French Government the ability to remove any content that may destabilize the public, hurt nation defense, or physically harm persons. That being said currently France is ranked #6 out of all nations in terms of Internet Freedom, due to intern…

>> The French Government had videos of Police officers mocking minorities removed from various news organizations. Well, in almost every country, police force recruit among the least brilliant. Hatred of differences is what stupid people do. Violence is what stupid people do when given power to do so (intelligent people handed power preferring control over violence). So no big surprise here when it come to police. Th…

The French Government had videos [of Police officers mocking minorities] removed from various news organizations.

The italics show the important part in this context, which is not the behavior of the police.

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by weddpros »

mercurial wrote: post #60
weddpros wrote: post #23

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You can read (in french: http://hollande-demission.fr/ ) how the government BURNT protesters' banner... and other similar illegal actions, like taking "stealing" their car with no legal ground (they pretend "Hollande démission" is an ad) This group calls for the dismissal (démission) of president Hollande.

Sounds like a perfectly balanced source of information.

That's how you can tell if newspapers are objective or not: you don't hear much about him in "balanced sources of information"... and you definitely don't hear about his banner or car.

He has complained in court against these actions... We'll see how it goes.

In the meantime, you can watch his videos, and see the cops take his car (quite objective and balanced source of information :-)

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by pessimizer »

davidnu2 wrote: post #70
mercurial wrote: post #59

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> What about that French comedian that has your government exploring ways to ban his act? Well, what about him? France is not the US, you have hate laws here. Nobody is trying to ban him because he is criticizing the government. That's not parent is saying anyway: Perhaps they'll uses the French model and make it illegal to say anything critical about the French government. Last time I checked, the Figaro and le Poin…

Exactly right, the problem is that you're not the US. "Hate laws" are censorship. "Hateful" speech is equally protected under the US constitution, and any political movements it might inspire will not be infringed upon by the government. The fundamental problem with "hate laws" in the context of speech is the definition of "hate", totalitarian governments tend to widen that definitions in order to suppress adversarie…

>widen that definitions in order to suppress adversaries

Billionaire Compares Outrage Over Rich In SF To Kristallnacht

http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/01/26/266685...

JPMorgan Chase's Jamie Dimon: Anti-Banking Sentiment 'A Form Of Discrimination'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/25/jamie-dimon-discrim...

Re: European Commission proposes a reform to the way the Internet is managed and run

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Post by Paradigma11 »

mcv wrote: post #42

Neelie Kroes is pretty much the only notable politician I'd trust to get this right. She's generally on the side of openness, transparency, competition, etc. You might have heard of her before in the base of the EU vs. Microsoft at the height of their monopoly.

/agree http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neelie_Kroes
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