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Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by Myrmornis »

colechristensen wrote: post #163
vacri wrote: post #159

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There is a reason that most of the best hospitals in the world are American Uh, do you have anything to back that up, apart from the standard assumption that "US is #1 at everything!"? And even if you had 10/10 top hospitals globally, overall average quality is a better metric than handpicked best-of-class examples.

If you have an especially difficult medical problem or you have the money and want the best possible care, your hospital of best choice is probably American. If you're talking about average medical conditions and the average outcomes... maybe not, but those statistics are usually about the medical systems as a whole which is much more difficult to compare in a country without universal health care.

Sounds like you might want to apply for your passport for the first time. Don't worry, it's common, lots of people in your country haven't been outside it.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by ElDiablo666 »

specialist wrote: post #270
sp332 wrote: post #242

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I'm against public healthcare in the USA because there's no way (in the current political climate) it won't be massively corrupt. Did you know the insurance companies were lobbying in favor of our new system? It's still about corporations making profits.

massively corrupt The data, comparative experiences, and commons sense, disagrees with you. Single payer is easier to audit. Because it's more simple. Healthcare Fraud: Auditing and Detection Guide [2012] http://www.amazon.com/Healthcare-Fraud-Auditing-Detection-Gu... Healthcare Fraud: Auditing and Detection Guide [2007] http://www.amazon.com/Healthcare-Fraud-Auditing-Detection-Gu... And before you say "tort reform",…

Tort reform also has no bearing on cost outcomes, according to the data. Texas is one example. It's solely designed to prevent human beings from holding corporations accountable for their actions.

The reason people bring it up is because it's just straight up propaganda preventing them from thinking. Single payer is inarguably more effective, efficient, and cheaper. Also, "I'm against a public system because it's corrupt"? But this private system is a-ok, no corruption at all! FFS.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by cwaniak »

arg01 wrote: post #292
cwaniak wrote: post #284

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> Centralized economic solutions work better for some things. I could also say that 2 and 2 not always is 4. Please give concrete examples.

Tragedy of the commons type problems. Concrete example: CFC Regulations. Prisoners Dilema type problems. Concrete example: Cigarette advertising bans. (I'll clarify that this is better for the companies involved on a competition between company basis and "better" for the public in the form of a shrinking tobacco market) More to the point a real concrete example is healthcare costs. Per person they are cheaper in comp…

You claim cigarate bans helped tobacco industry? CFC helped grow corporations? Because if all you are saying is that regulation is destroying industries, well that's actually my point.

And yes the US Government involvement and regulation in the Healthcare industry in the US destroyed it too. Up till 1960s and invention of Government intervention into US healthcare system, the healthcare in the US was cheap, affordable and the US kept #1 spot for longevity in the world. After medicare, medicaid and all the other Government involvement and regulation in healthcare in the US (i.e. 10% of GDP in the US goes to healthcare) we have #50 in longevity and nobody can afford it. Blaming capitalism for that just shows your ignorance.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by cwaniak »

specialist wrote: post #293
cwaniak wrote: post #284

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> Centralized economic solutions work better for some things. I could also say that 2 and 2 not always is 4. Please give concrete examples.

I've got a better idea. You give concrete examples of decentralized (unregulated) markets working better than open (regulated) markets. I could also say that 2 and 2 not always is 4. I don't doubt it.

internet search for one.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by eropple »

cwaniak wrote: post #304
specialist wrote: post #293

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I've got a better idea. You give concrete examples of decentralized (unregulated) markets working better than open (regulated) markets. I could also say that 2 and 2 not always is 4. I don't doubt it.

internet search for one.

Internet search has led to a market where, if Google doesn't like you, you don't exist. Are you sure this is the example you want to roll with?

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by eropple »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #282
crazypyro wrote: post #261

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The only person you are trying to benefit when you are trying to convince the dying of atheism is yourself. We should let people live their final days believing whatever they want. Even as an atheist, its clear to me that the right thing to do is allow the dying to be happy and comfortable, however they want that. Furthermore, there are many, many threats to longterm survival, not just mysticism.

The only person you are trying to benefit when you are trying to convince the dying of atheism is yourself. Who is trying to do that? Furthermore, there are many, many threats to longterm survival, not just mysticism. Mysticism prevents us from dealing with those other threats rationally, and that makes it #1 on the list of mental bugs to fix.

> Who is trying to do that?

You. Stop it.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by specialist »

cwaniak wrote: post #303
arg01 wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tragedy of the commons type problems. Concrete example: CFC Regulations. Prisoners Dilema type problems. Concrete example: Cigarette advertising bans. (I'll clarify that this is better for the companies involved on a competition between company basis and "better" for the public in the form of a shrinking tobacco market) More to the point a real concrete example is healthcare costs. Per person they are cheaper in comp…

You claim cigarate bans helped tobacco industry? CFC helped grow corporations? Because if all you are saying is that regulation is destroying industries, well that's actually my point. And yes the US Government involvement and regulation in the Healthcare industry in the US destroyed it too. Up till 1960s and invention of Government intervention into US healthcare system, the healthcare in the US was cheap, affordabl…

Apologies, I don't follow.

Healthcare was cheaper before cigarettes were heavily regulated or after?

Which is it?

Or perhaps you're arguing that corporate profits are more important than people?

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

cwaniak wrote: post #273
specialist wrote: post #270

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massively corrupt The data, comparative experiences, and commons sense, disagrees with you. Single payer is easier to audit. Because it's more simple. Healthcare Fraud: Auditing and Detection Guide [2012] http://www.amazon.com/Healthcare-Fraud-Auditing-Detection-Gu... Healthcare Fraud: Auditing and Detection Guide [2007] http://www.amazon.com/Healthcare-Fraud-Auditing-Detection-Gu... And before you say "tort reform",…

of course! Centralized economic solutions always work the best. The USSR is the best example of that. You people go back to coding and leave economics to economists.

I'm continually amazed at the number of ways the current US system is centralized, usually in an arcane manner e.g. prices that hospitals can charge for things being set by a committee.

You've got all the bad parts of centralized bureaucracy without any of the good bits.

(edit: also, it's hard to tell how many layers of sarcasm your post has, but economists generally agree on centralising certain aspects of healthcare. Insurance is a fairly well studied topic in general.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by cwaniak »

specialist wrote: post #307
cwaniak wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You claim cigarate bans helped tobacco industry? CFC helped grow corporations? Because if all you are saying is that regulation is destroying industries, well that's actually my point. And yes the US Government involvement and regulation in the Healthcare industry in the US destroyed it too. Up till 1960s and invention of Government intervention into US healthcare system, the healthcare in the US was cheap, affordabl…

Apologies, I don't follow. Healthcare was cheaper before cigarettes were heavily regulated or after? Which is it? Or perhaps you're arguing that corporate profits are more important than people?

Just read again and if you still don't get it, keep reading.

And no, Government regulation isn't more important than people.

Re: Richard Lynch, an awesome PHP community guy and former colleague needs our help

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Post by cwaniak »

eropple wrote: post #305
cwaniak wrote: post #304

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internet search for one.

Internet search has led to a market where, if Google doesn't like you, you don't exist. Are you sure this is the example you want to roll with?

Free markets means that stupid/wrong decisions (i.e. Google hurting people) result in competitive advantage to companies that don't do those stupid things. I'm sure CEO of DuckDuckGo.com just can't wait for Google to start hurting its customers.

And then I take corporations competition every day over Government regulation.

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