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John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by AlexC04 »

pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

Yet the pendulum has swung so far away from "just a bit of Moderation" that the now all-pervasive sugar (virtually) cannot be avoided.

Left to their own devices, industry will NOT comply so regulation is a valid tool to stave off the massive public health risk that unchecked industry has introduced.

While muscle growth does require sugars, it is not required in anywhere near the amounts present in every single food on shelves.

Your arguments reek of industry propoganda and astroturfing. They've got an air of populism and fallisciousness about them... "But sugar is needed for muscles... See science?"

Come on... You're one of those paid forum commenters we keep reading about right? Some guerilla marketer working for big sugar? Is it an agency with lots if clients or just one topic?

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by yeureka »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #185
yeureka wrote: post #182

On a recent BBC Horizon, two identical twins went for a month on two separate diets. One of the twins ate a high carb low fat diet, the other did the reverse. By the end of the experiment the one with the worse metabolical and biological outcomes was the twin on the high fat low carb diet. In fact the doctors told him to stop as he was becoming pre-diabetic. link to bbc programme: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03t…

Sounds like it was bad, for those two. Hard to draw any further conclusions from that.

It was definitely bad for both of them, however the twin on the high fat low carb diet fared much worse even though he was consuming less calories than the carb binging twin.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by Spoygg »

mistermann wrote: post #102
Spoygg wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see why this is downvoted. Actually 500 calories worth of apples will keep you satisfied at least an hour. And try to eat a thousand, I bet you can't. I believe that low fat, high carb diet is much more sustainable, but one have to try it to see how it works. All that sugar blaming is just a fad and it will pass on, the main problem with sugar is that is almost always accompanied with tons of fat, you would n…

Perhaps , but it seems to me at this point in time most every variety of special diet has been tried, and I've never heard of a low fat high carb being effective, whereas there are MANY thousands of people that rave about the amazing effectiveness of a low carb high fat/protein diet. If you have evidence to the contrary, preferably including a forum of people who have had success, but even just the common name of suc…

Thanks for honest answer :) It's interesting how there is so much evidence for whatever approach you take on foods :D I guess one can only try and see how anything works for him.

Well, there is no consensus about common name and there are more than one approaches to this kind of eating (high carb, low fat, low protein) I will list you some references so you can see what I'm talking about. In no special order:

http://www.heartattackproof.com/articles.htm http://www.drmcdougall.com/health/shopping/books/starch-solu... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XVf36nwraw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wfMNNr3ak http://www.nealbarnard.org/ http://www.youtube.com/user/PrimitiveNutrition/videos http://nutritionstudies.org/

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by ajcarpy2005 »

sergiosgc wrote: post #168
TeMPOraL wrote: post #151

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Calories in-calories out declare the upper bound. No matter what vitamins you take, you can't make body produce more energy that it takes in, or else something in thermodynamics is seriously broken.

True, but useless. If the human body is extra efficient, it should have about 20% efficiency at converting energy. This means your upper bound rule tells you that if a male adult eats 400cal/day he'll lose weight. Duh! He'll lose weight at 1800cal/day; the 400cal mark is useless.

Thank you for putting into words what I was trying to think of. Different bodies operate at different metabolic/thermodynamic efficiencies depending on level and type of exercise and nutritional intake. (including non calorie nutrients like vitamins, minerals, flavanoids, etc.)

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by yetanotherphd »

I don't know if this man's views on sugar are accurate, but things like:

>''Reviews of the body of scientific evidence by expert committees have concluded that consuming sugar as part of a balanced diet does not induce lifestyle diseases such as diabetes and heart disease,'' he says.If you look up Robert Lustig on Wikipedia, nearly two-thirds of the studies cited there to repudiate Lustig's views were funded by Coca-Cola.

really disturb me. I think there is something wrong with are intellectual culture when we give completely undeserved credulity to studies with obvious biases.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by yetanotherphd »

ynniv wrote: post #61
gnusouth wrote: post #32

More info. Anti-sugar: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3821440.htm Anti-anti-sugar: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3888657.htm The whole thing strikes me as quite sensationalist, and I suspect that digging into the research would affirm the cholesterol heart disease link. For now, I'll trust the scientific consensus over these crackpot types.

Week old accounts with no prior comments shouldn't be allowed to use hot button words like "crackpot". They should probably include IP addresses in their comments as well.

Great ideas, I look forward to them in your fork of HN.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by blister »

threeseed wrote: post #165
leoedin wrote: post #158

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Most people eat sugar. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the proportion of people in the western world who have eaten sugar is close to 100%. Not everyone is obese. Even in the US, where obesity is at its worst, it's around 35%. That suggests that 65% of people can consume sugar and then not become obese. Certainly amongst my peer group of middle class graduates almost everyone eats sugar and almost nobody is obese. T…

You and your peer group are at the age where your metabolism is high. Try having the same diet when you're in your 40s and I am sure you will have a different experience.

Shit, 40s? I had to start busting my ass at 28 to not be a fat land whale.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by LanceH »

threeseed wrote: post #165
leoedin wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people eat sugar. In fact, I'm willing to bet that the proportion of people in the western world who have eaten sugar is close to 100%. Not everyone is obese. Even in the US, where obesity is at its worst, it's around 35%. That suggests that 65% of people can consume sugar and then not become obese. Certainly amongst my peer group of middle class graduates almost everyone eats sugar and almost nobody is obese. T…

You and your peer group are at the age where your metabolism is high. Try having the same diet when you're in your 40s and I am sure you will have a different experience.

I'm in my 40's and I'm fat because I sit on my ass all day and eat when I'm not hungry. There is no reason to blame a certain subset of the calories.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by hfsktr »

threeseed wrote: post #164
StavrosK wrote: post #146

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But who eats sugar to get full? I (and everyone I know) eat sweets after a meal, or because I see them, not because I expect to sate my hunger with it.

Ask anyone who isn't American what the first thing they notice about the food when they visit the US. How sweet everything is.

My friend is from England and the few times she's been to America the primary thing she's said is that the portions here are ridiculously large.

At places like Chili's or Applebees she ended up ordering appetizers and eating half of that as a meal. I got a regular meal but I knew in advance I would be taking it to go halfway through, as I usually do.

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