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IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by bifftannen »

ElDiablo666 wrote: post #8
smoyer wrote: post #5

I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…

You do seem insensitive. Fuck their missed projections. Let all the managers quit for their failure. Did you look at the financials? Why are you pretending that you have the slightest clue what's going on in their business? If the employees were in charge like they ought to be, they could deal with their business properly and almost certainly avoid this fucking travesty. Tens of thousands of people losing their jobs…

This is exactly it. The people that are responsible never pay the price.

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by smoyer »

ElDiablo666 wrote: post #8
smoyer wrote: post #5

I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…

You do seem insensitive. Fuck their missed projections. Let all the managers quit for their failure. Did you look at the financials? Why are you pretending that you have the slightest clue what's going on in their business? If the employees were in charge like they ought to be, they could deal with their business properly and almost certainly avoid this fucking travesty. Tens of thousands of people losing their jobs…

Did you ever notice that when someone says "I don't want to seem/sound/look XXXXX", they follow it with a statement that can be perceived that way.

You do seem full of hatred. If the employees had started IBM, bought out their division or otherwise owned the business, I'd agree with everything you say. In this case, management should also be sacked - On the other hand, maybe part of management's failure was hiring too many employees?

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by vidarh »

arethuza wrote: post #6
smoyer wrote: post #5

I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…

"Severance package was on an average 3 months basic component of salary, which is like 6 weeks full pay." That's not bad - probably more than most people would get here in the UK.

For redundancy, 3 months is fairly common in the UK, and if certain conditions are met you can receive those 3 months pay free of tax.

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by cones688 »

ElDiablo666 wrote: post #8
smoyer wrote: post #5

I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…

You do seem insensitive. Fuck their missed projections. Let all the managers quit for their failure. Did you look at the financials? Why are you pretending that you have the slightest clue what's going on in their business? If the employees were in charge like they ought to be, they could deal with their business properly and almost certainly avoid this fucking travesty. Tens of thousands of people losing their jobs…

Maybe you should read the article

> "Announced today including managers"

This is the failing X86 based server business (STG) which IBM has sold off to Lenovo, most likely duplicate test/support staff which Lenovo already have. They aren't just trimming - the departments are closing down.

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by arethuza »

vidarh wrote: post #13
arethuza wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Severance package was on an average 3 months basic component of salary, which is like 6 weeks full pay." That's not bad - probably more than most people would get here in the UK.

For redundancy, 3 months is fairly common in the UK, and if certain conditions are met you can receive those 3 months pay free of tax.

It's common amongst professionals or senior managers (sometimes even 6 months) - but the vast majority of people will be on statutory redundancy pay:

https://www.gov.uk/redundant-your-rights/redundancy-pay

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by cones688 »

This article massively overstates what is occurring here, these people are members of staff involved with the part of the business which has been sold to Lenovo and surprise surprise Lenovo already has their own departments handling most of this stuff.

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

smoyer wrote: post #5

I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…

I don't want to seem insensitive, but... Hi I'm your boss, you're fired, give me your laptop, pick up your shit, security is going to escort you out the building. Cause no trouble.

Just an interpretation to what's going on there.

Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'

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Post by qwerta »

vidarh wrote: post #13
arethuza wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Severance package was on an average 3 months basic component of salary, which is like 6 weeks full pay." That's not bad - probably more than most people would get here in the UK.

For redundancy, 3 months is fairly common in the UK, and if certain conditions are met you can receive those 3 months pay free of tax.

It could be actually 3 months notice. Kind of problem in Europe if you want to change job.
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