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Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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I don't see the point, so what if legislation is changed, the NSA and all the other clandestine agencies will operate outside of the law because they are untouchable.

Might just as well play flappy bird instead, it will do about as much good.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#242

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They seem to be celebrating "Safer Internet Day"

no doodle, when I Feel Lucky! https://www.google.com/trends/hottrends

Google's in, along with a few others, but no App for that... http://www.reformgovernmentsurveillance.com/

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #179

Including a third party javascript to protest and spread awareness about mass surveillance... That seems a little ironic.

It's opensource, check it out: https://github.com/tfrce/thedaywefightback.js

It being closed source or not isn't what makes it ironic. Enticing people to include a tag on their website that then makes their visitors download a .js that will leave an entry in cloudfront's log file documenting that your users visited your website (via the referrer url) is what makes it ironic.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#244
Great to see this being done. I wonder what number of emails a typical member of Congress must receive before they take note of an issue. Furthermore, how many emails does it take to sway their opinion on said issue, or are dollars the only medium that can induce the wild thought of reevaluating one's perspective.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

#245

Meanwhile in the NSA canteen: "and then they said 'today we fight back' and this time they REALLY meant it, they even had banners you could copy on your website!" massive laughter Gotta love slacktivism.

And what would be your proposal for an alternative? That is also capable of involving, if even a tiny bit, the amount of people this idea probably will?

There are potentially a lot of other ways to achieve the same goal, but if we don't hear them, we can't analyse/debate and decide to act upon them.

Not being sarcastic or anything, but if you do have an opinion on how to change/make this better, by all means please do so!

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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Good points. Thanks. I used md5sum mainly because it was given on the original sites from which software was downloaded, but if sha256sum is more unique then I'll use that instead. Although there are some systems where I'm familiar with the code - such as Bitmessage - in most cases I havn't personally checked the code myself. Ideally Freedombone would be a pure blend (I think that's also the aim of FreedomBox), but f…

> more unique That makes it sound like you're thinking that the chances for a conflict (same hash value) depend just on the size of the hash value. But it's worse than that, thanks to algorithmic insights, inputs that produce the same hash value can be found more cheaply than just by chance. Also, they can be found so cheaply that it's computationally trivial to do even for an individual [1]. Thus anyone who can chan…

Thanks for the information about this. I didn't know that md5 was quite that easy to fool. The hashes have been duly changed to using sha256sum. I'll file bug reports for any md5 hashes that I see in future.

Re: Today is The Day We Fight Back

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post #29

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(My comment here is about the international version of the site - the USA one is much clearer in its purpose.) One crucial piece of information I haven't been able to find is what happens to the names and email addresses people enter. How does filling in those boxes amount to taking action? I am strongly opposed to mass surveillance, but thedaywefightback.org doesn't seem to be communicating successfully how exactly…

Hey mkl, So they'll be a shorter version of this on the main site soon, but I can spell it out at greater length and more informally here. (I'm EFF's International Director, btw) The short answer is that you're signing your support for a set of 13 principles on the application of human rights to communications surveillance ( see https://necessaryandproportionate.net/ ), that were worked out last year (pre-Snowden, ac…

> The short answer is that you're signing your support for a set of 13 principles on the application of human rights to communications surveillance

Yesterday, I was this close to putting my name+email there, until I thought "wait, what am I even signing for, either this might actually accomplish something important and I really should know what exactly before I can honestly give my support, or it's a rather meaningless gesture carrying just a vague anti-surveillance sentiment" (given the names and people involved I was pretty sure it was the former, but not knowing what I'd feel disingenuous about just adding my name to a list "just, make it better, or something").

Knowing this now, I signed it right away.

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