IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
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Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#2Outsourcing jobs. Outsourcing layoffs. Checks out, what did India expect?
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#3How many workers were actually cut?
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#4low social oversight and regulations result in easily attracting jobs and fewer protection when jobs need to be cut. On a downhill slope, it's much simpler and cheaper to cut jobs in developing economies, precisely for the same reasons it's cheaper to create jobs there when things go uphill.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#5I don't want to seem insensitive but ...
The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale of the remaining employees).
On the other hand, the severance and extended benefits are far more generous than any layoff I've been through here in the states. I'm not sure why employees in struggling business units don't recognize that THEY'RE PART OF A BUSINESS. If no one was laid off, the whole business would close when there was no money left to pay expenses.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#6I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…
"Severance package was on an average 3 months basic component of salary, which is like 6 weeks full pay."
That's not bad - probably more than most people would get here in the UK.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#7I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…
I've been on the receiving end of a layoff like that,but I've also seen it done vastly differently.
Our place has been through a couple of rounds of layoffs (as the result of outsourcing). Both went through lengthy - I'm talking months - periods of "consultation" where the company worked with employee reps to try to make sure the correct people were retained (both in terms of looking for opportunities for voluntary redundancy and seeing whether affected people could be reallocated to other areas), and for those who were going to be let go there was a lot of help in terms of career advice, working with external companies looking for new recruits etc, to try to make the process as pain-free as possible.
Unsurprisingly, the effects of those two approaches are vastly different both for those who are made redundant and for those who stay. I get the impression that many of the smarter companies, at least in the UK, are beginning to recognise this.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#8I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…
You do seem insensitive. Fuck their missed projections. Let all the managers quit for their failure. Did you look at the financials? Why are you pretending that you have the slightest clue what's going on in their business? If the employees were in charge like they ought to be, they could deal with their business properly and almost certainly avoid this fucking travesty. Tens of thousands of people losing their jobs is fucking bullshit.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#9How many workers were actually cut?
According to article 'One analyst has estimated that IBM will cut 13,000 of its more than 434,000 workers'.
Not sure how many (what percentage) is in India and how many are affected.
Re: IBM layoffs strike first in India; workers describe as 'slaughter' and 'massive'
#10I don't want to seem insensitive but ... The quote at the beginning of the article describes pretty much every layoff I've ever seen (or been through). The person quoted describes it as inhuman, but HR and managers are told to keep it impersonal (don't induce more crying than there is). You don't get notice (on purpose), you have to turn in company-owned property and they want you out the door (it affects the morale…
I've been on the receiving end of a layoff like that,but I've also seen it done vastly differently. Our place has been through a couple of rounds of layoffs (as the result of outsourcing). Both went through lengthy - I'm talking months - periods of "consultation" where the company worked with employee reps to try to make sure the correct people were retained (both in terms of looking for opportunities for voluntary r…
The law in the UK actually specifies that consultation has to happen during redundancy: