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Post by polarix »

notlisted wrote: post #333
deepGem wrote: post #250

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Regarding #1 - Facebook conversion pixel (a JS script that has to be loaded the HTML header) solves the feedback loop problem. https://developers.facebook.com/docs/reference/ads-api/offsi...

Thanks. Quickly glanced over this page (I wasn't aware of this option, I admit) but can anyone tell me if the conversion pixel is just a tracker for conversion, or whether it actually affects ad serving? I know on google it does. Anecdote: once had a Google advert that resulted in many more clicks, but another advert was served more. When I inquired about this, google staff explained that the other advert had fewer c…

You can optimize based on the expected rate of conversion.

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by SkyMarshal »

wozniacki wrote: post #377
SkyMarshal wrote: post #350

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Including this one, ironically. x0054 called out the problem, no need to pile on with nothing more of any particular value to add.

My comment is less ironic than you might discern. History is rife with far wilder inventions than the comment-curating 'contraption' that I describe, that have been conceived and crafted, drawing from a far smaller source of inspiration than the clumsy comment made by joe_the_user. In all probability, the sort of thing, I describe, would never materialize in the foreseeable future. It could just be a figment of my im…

You're writing a lot of words without actually saying anything. You can try and dress your original comment up all you want, but all you were doing was kicking someone while they were down to make yourself feel superior, while attempting to disguise it in the form of some highbrow but vague speculation of some future technology without providing anything of concrete value about it. This is HN, we're all aware of the possibilities of strong AI, but unless you've got a github account with a demo in it or some new algorithm, you're just spouting bs.

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by frik »

junto wrote: post #300
TeMPOraL wrote: post #96

I have my pet theory. I'm yet to find significant evidence for or against it, but it's what my hunch tells me. The theory goes like this: All on-line ads are mostly worthless - most clicks are from clickfarms, and the genuine parts are mostly by clickjacking or accidental misclicks. Almost no one really wants to buy stuff via ads. Ad agencies keep telling companies that advertising online will generate lots of revenu…

I'm an anti-ads person, even though I know it hurts some of the sites I like who depend on advertising. I'm anti-ads because the kind of ads that I am being exposed to are invasive, especially re-targeting ads. I.e. those ads where you've been on a website and thought about buying something, then decided against it? Then you get the same product advertised to you on random other sites you visit. I cannot stand it whe…

The only targeting Ads that work for me are amazon.com ads.

I always try to deactivate and fallback to classic ads. It was at least possible in FB some years ago.

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by tieatie »

great video. I experienced very similar things and have since cut back on promoting posts on Facebook. We have already cut our spending on Facebook by 50% over the last two months and I am thinking that pretty soon we will spend $0 on this soon to worthless social network.

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by Moru »

raymondduke wrote: post #379
dasil003 wrote: post #324

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And let me guess... you get great results with your Facebook campaigns? My marketing teams have spent a lot of time with a variety of advertising campaigns. The Facebook has always been by far the worst, an order of magnitude worse than everything else we tried even though it's supposed to have greater targeting ability. Snarky comments on HN aren't going to make me believe that Facebook advertising is anything but o…

Here is an accurate response: http://www.jonloomer.com/2014/02/11/facebook-fraud-response/

Yeah, a facebook employee complaining that he didn't use enough money to promote the fake pages. Also complaining that he is using facebook wrong and should know better. I was expecting facebook to know better than to leave old tools that does not work lying around just because they make good money out of them? No wait, I wasn't.

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by whatevsbro »

alb000 wrote: post #226
baby wrote: post #97

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I really wish I could do that. I used to ask a friend to change my password, now I use www.offsocialnetwork.com to do it (I'm doing it this week). But I can't go really long without facebook since all is planned from there, the parties, the social events, the foreign friends visiting my city, foreign friends keeping in touch with me... I guess it's easier not to have facebook when you didn't travel a lot and don't ha…

You are a freaking WUSSY! And you have NO life,let alone social life. Social life is OUTSIDE, face to face, NOT on facebook. Get a fucking life, freaking zombie.

Projecting much?

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by paulhauggis »

quadrangle wrote: post #22

The ad-based revenue model is fundamentally broken. Everyone needs to run Adblock and we need to figure out an economy that doesn't rely on this garbage.

You mean like paying for every site or things like in-app purchases for games (which many people here hate as well?)

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by Anderkent »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #392
wozniacki wrote: post #377

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment is less ironic than you might discern. History is rife with far wilder inventions than the comment-curating 'contraption' that I describe, that have been conceived and crafted, drawing from a far smaller source of inspiration than the clumsy comment made by joe_the_user. In all probability, the sort of thing, I describe, would never materialize in the foreseeable future. It could just be a figment of my im…

You're writing a lot of words without actually saying anything. You can try and dress your original comment up all you want, but all you were doing was kicking someone while they were down to make yourself feel superior, while attempting to disguise it in the form of some highbrow but vague speculation of some future technology without providing anything of concrete value about it. This is HN, we're all aware of the…

(Also, you really don't want to end the world just to get better hn comment threads. Strong AI is scary, man)

Re: Facebook Fraud [video]

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Post by chid »

smaddali wrote: post #211

Having worked on Fraud Detection and Risk Management at eBay previously, I can understand the difficulty in solving this. As it was explained in the video, the fraudsters will want to look like the regular folks as much as possible. I think this is solvable problem. I will not post the features here, My guess FB folks already know how to address this specific aspect of Fraud. Btw, has anyone had better experience/ROI…

Why would anyone even hire the fraudsters? (Once they understand they're buying 'Likes' which reduce their reach due to lower engagement)

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Post by dasil003 »

raymondduke wrote: post #360
dasil003 wrote: post #324

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And let me guess... you get great results with your Facebook campaigns? My marketing teams have spent a lot of time with a variety of advertising campaigns. The Facebook has always been by far the worst, an order of magnitude worse than everything else we tried even though it's supposed to have greater targeting ability. Snarky comments on HN aren't going to make me believe that Facebook advertising is anything but o…

I'm not here to make you believe anything. Do what's working for you. If Facebook ads are not working for you, stop using them, or seek the help of someone more qualified than you and your team.

> I'm not here to make you believe anything.

Then what are you here to do? Just write unsubstantiated snarky comments about how much of an idiot everyone but you is?

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