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John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by ynniv »

gnusouth wrote: post #32

More info. Anti-sugar: http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/3821440.htm Anti-anti-sugar: http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3888657.htm The whole thing strikes me as quite sensationalist, and I suspect that digging into the research would affirm the cholesterol heart disease link. For now, I'll trust the scientific consensus over these crackpot types.

Week old accounts with no prior comments shouldn't be allowed to use hot button words like "crackpot". They should probably include IP addresses in their comments as well.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by sandGorgon »

Here's a very interesting, recent research paper that seems to corroborate AND defy the "sugar is evil" statement:

Dietary composition and its associations with insulin sensitivity and insulin secretion in youth. - While long-term excess of energy intake has been shown to lead to overweight and obesity, dietary macronutrient composition is not independently correlated with insulin sensitivity (IS) and insulin secretion (ISct). HOWEVER, For every 1 % increase in daily protein intake (%), Area-Under-Curve(AUC) Insulin/Glucose t= 30 min decreased by 1·1 % (P= 0·033).

FYI - increase of AUC is correlated with glycemic response to foods. [2]

[1] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24047611 [2] http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/13/2/172.abstract

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by mullingitover »

pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

Aspirin can be good for you too, but I wouldn't go drinking 32 ounces of aspirin solution every day.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by dilap »

pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

"Very few fossil hominins have cavities. The decline in oral health started with agriculture and resulting changes to oral microbiome." — John Hawks (paleoanthropologist).

Diet has a lot to do with cavities.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by Daniel_Newby »

matwood wrote: post #44
eclipxe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can go back and forth on this, but HN isn't the place. I've had this debate many times and it ends nowhere. Bottom line, calories-in vs calories-out is a fine and dandy statement, but tells us nothing of value about the cause of increased calorie consumption. I agree with you that for weight gain to occur, there must be a greater energy intake than burn, but what causes more caloric intake?

Eating? I'm only partially joking. Calories don't just magically appear.

Eating is an effect, not a cause. Much of of the cause is subconscious regulatory systems in the brain, which function like magic to a person consciously trying to eat less.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by maw »

sillysaurus2 wrote: post #20
pvnick wrote: post #18

I'm getting sick of this ignorant sugar alarmism. Sugar is not the culprit behind all the diseases listed in the article. Obesity is [5] [6]. Unless of course you're talking about cavities. Then not brushing your teeth is the culprit. The reason sugar gets such a bad rep is that high-sugar foods tend to be less-filling and lead to overeating [1]. Stay at a healthy weight by controlling caloric consumption [2]. The ar…

Doughnuts, one of my favorite foods, can be part of a healthy diet Can they?

If it's ok to otherwise eat responsibly but allow oneself one doughnut a week—and I think that this is ok—then yes, they can.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by voltagex_ »

fredgrott wrote: post #7

a former molecular bio major, Be careful folks.. the sugar they are referring to is corn syrup which was used as fat taste replacement..sucrose fructose in small doses is still fine..although do not use it a diet plan as its a hunger enhancer as it blocks a body released chemical that tells are body to stop eating.

>blocks a body released chemical that tells are body to stop eating

Got any more info on this?

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by mixmastamyk »

matwood wrote: post #44
eclipxe wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can go back and forth on this, but HN isn't the place. I've had this debate many times and it ends nowhere. Bottom line, calories-in vs calories-out is a fine and dandy statement, but tells us nothing of value about the cause of increased calorie consumption. I agree with you that for weight gain to occur, there must be a greater energy intake than burn, but what causes more caloric intake?

Eating? I'm only partially joking. Calories don't just magically appear.

Sugar makes you feel like you're starving. You get sleepy at the peak, "starving" at the trough... like a repeating sine wave. Leads to overeating.

Re: John Yudkin: the man who tried to warn us about sugar

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Post by doktrin »

ynniv wrote: post #41
pvnick wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The insulin response to sugar is the primary way your body stores fat and sugar itself is readily converted to fat This is a common myth, but it's wrong. Dietary fat is what is primarily stored and leads to weight gain during caloric excess; dietary carbs just decrease the amount of fat being used for energy, but can also get stored as fat tissue during overfeeding in a process called de novo lipogenesis (which is w…

it all comes back to calories in vs calories out. 12 cans of Coke a day = healthy diet?

If you consumed nothing but 12 cans of coke a day you would probably lose weight.

Healthy? Maybe not.

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