It seems that a lot of people are missing the point. Leveraged Sellout was famously satirical of the financial markets in the heady pre-crisis days of '06-'08. Even published a book: http://www.amazon.com/Damn-Feels-Good-Be-Banker/dp/B0023RSZK... The site was quiet for a long time and has very recently re-emerged to take on the tech industry - albeit from the perspective of the New York finance type. Outlandish and u…
The Book of Graham
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#52This was surprisingly entertaining. There's some truth to it, but it essentially misses three things: 1) The intangible benefits of being at a startup (as a founder or early employee) -- working on interesting problems, with smart people, in a well funded environment. You learn things, meet people, get to use amazing tools. (Startups definitely aren't the only way to do this -- academia or, for engineering, some part…
Wall Street is all playing middleman with other peoples' money too.
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#53As a YC founder I know exactly what I signed up for. YC is in the business of placing a series of low risk bets twice annually and then sorting through those bets looking for likely winners, doubling down and helping when possible It doesn't matter though, they still lower my overall risk profile by being involved and (I believe) increase my odds of success. I believe it's a square deal. I also believe that fundament…
You realize Wall Street bankers make a few million dollars a year doing mind-numbing work that does little for humanity, right?
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#55But to be plausible the author had to reinforce the investment banking alternative with a close personal connection between good cousin Eric and someone already established in the industry. It's not that YC's model is perfect, but at least it is nakedly tuned toward making money for YC rather than providing good jobs for one's buddies.
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#56As a YC founder I know exactly what I signed up for. YC is in the business of placing a series of low risk bets twice annually and then sorting through those bets looking for likely winners, doubling down and helping when possible It doesn't matter though, they still lower my overall risk profile by being involved and (I believe) increase my odds of success. I believe it's a square deal. I also believe that fundament…
There are people who aim high whether they are in the 20's, 30's, 40's ... and then there are those who aim low. Age is rarely a factor for those who are shooting for the moon, but it's a great excuse for those who don't.
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#57My 2 cents: He is correct that YCombinator is running little risk doing what it does at this point. That seems pretty obvious now - though it was not when they started. Accelerators were a novelty back then, and YC could have fallen flat on its face. YCombinator is a pretty low risk deal for entrepreneurs too, come to think of it. Perhaps the author misses this point. If your startup does fail and/or you get tired of…
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#58This was surprisingly entertaining. There's some truth to it, but it essentially misses three things: 1) The intangible benefits of being at a startup (as a founder or early employee) -- working on interesting problems, with smart people, in a well funded environment. You learn things, meet people, get to use amazing tools. (Startups definitely aren't the only way to do this -- academia or, for engineering, some part…
The downside to failure is exceptionally low. It's all other people's money... Oh my!
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#59This was surprisingly entertaining. There's some truth to it, but it essentially misses three things: 1) The intangible benefits of being at a startup (as a founder or early employee) -- working on interesting problems, with smart people, in a well funded environment. You learn things, meet people, get to use amazing tools. (Startups definitely aren't the only way to do this -- academia or, for engineering, some part…
Hmm. Is "generally" right here? Are founders really getting hired at a enough of a premium to earn the ~$100-200k they lost over 1-2 years while failing?
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#60This was surprisingly entertaining. There's some truth to it, but it essentially misses three things: 1) The intangible benefits of being at a startup (as a founder or early employee) -- working on interesting problems, with smart people, in a well funded environment. You learn things, meet people, get to use amazing tools. (Startups definitely aren't the only way to do this -- academia or, for engineering, some part…
...your real cost is opportunity, but generally the market values a failed startup founder or early employee at enough of a premium over a member of a later stage team that you can catch up quickly. Hmm. Is "generally" right here? Are founders really getting hired at a enough of a premium to earn the ~$100-200k they lost over 1-2 years while failing?
I think "person who is a top 10% but not top 5 Stanford undergrad CS senior" who then goes to found a YC-backed startup which ultimately fails after 2y is ultimately better off than the person who takes the "good dev job" at Google or Facebook. When the founder is looking for a job 2 years later, if it's via acquihire, it is probably a wash on cash (due to taxes...potentially quite ahead); has almost certainly had more public visibility and thus potentially is in a "bidding" situation for his talent, etc. I doubt the 90th percentile Stanford CS grad gets more than $150k cash, $250k total compensation, in year 1, and probably not more than 200k/300k in year 2, at a tech company.
A person at the 90th percentile, all things being equal, probably isn't good enough to get one of the $250-500k hedge fund programming jobs.
Taking the good dev job/employee #1 at the hot startup which happens to do well is better than being founder of the failed startup.
Obviously, the person who starts Facebook is ahead of everyone.
Partially it's that equity compensation (in an acquihire/earn out) is tax privileged, part is that it's essentially forced savings. From $100k to $200k, you lose a lot of your income to basically bullshit -- US/CA taxes and somewhat higher living standard, higher student loan repayment, etc. -- where if you can essentially bet that "pre-tax" on a startup, you probably come out ahead.
I'm not sure how this applies to someone in the bottom 90% of Stanford, or in the bottom 99% of the world. Probably the best bet is to somehow get into a top startup in a role where performance isn't so critical to the ultimate success of the company, usually after Series B, or at a big company.
Someone who is the top CS grad for the year, or who is later in career with exceptional talent, or who has a burning drive for a specific area (e.g. Steve Mann in wearables), has an entirely different analysis, too. At that point what actually matters is role.
I personally am happy doing a startup to accomplish my specific change-the-world goals and would be equally happy doing so at a large company; it's just that it would be much more difficult in ways I don't enjoy at most large companies (budget and multiple hats at a startup; stupid politics at a big company). (If I had more of an aero/engineering background, I'd probably prioritize space, and try to work for SpaceX; as it is, the only things I'd be qualified for there are IT, and their IT is windows shit, and not core to the success of the enterprise.)