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The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

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Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

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post #50

>Not only do these tactics not accomplish anything in reality, they also distract people from making a real effort to change the world. You might say the same thing about a massive street protest. Those people are just standing in the street shouting, they're not physically acting to solve their complaints! And yet, from civil rights to overturning dictatorships, peaceful public protests have proven unsurpassed for e…

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Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#62
post #28

Wow. Glass houses much? A whole post of nothing but "You're all wasting your time and not accomplishing anything." In order to not be just 100% hypocritical he would need to offer some actual solutions.

You don't need to know how to cure cancer to know that poking me in the eye won't cure cancer. You don't always need the right answer to recognize a wrong answer.

I didn't ask for the right answer. I said how about any kind of suggestion.

He's not being helpful, he's just being a douche.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To avoid becoming part of the problem myself, here's my suggestion: Find one Member of Congress who's been vocally supportive of these programs, and run them out of their job. Throw down a challenge -- "we're coming for Representative X" -- then form a PAC (or piggyback on the PAC of a supportive org, like EFF or the ACLU) dedicated specifically to turning that person out of office, raise money, and use it to nail th…

Someone like Dianne Feinstein, California Senator, who has emerged as vocal defender of the spying programs? http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/18/nation/la-na-adv-fei... http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

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Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#64
The armchair activist is the person who thinks that the world's problems can be solved in but 3 years, by doing nothing in particular whatsoever, and such that you'll never again have to lift a finger to make the world a better place.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#65
This is how you change the world: be a better person yourself. All the awareness-raising in the world is futile if the populace are too indebted to see beyond their next meal. So don't be that guy. Live within your means. Know your neighbors. Keep yourself fit and healthy. And try to increase your viral coefficient.

EDIT: And yes, I did call.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to know how to cure cancer to know that poking me in the eye won't cure cancer. You don't always need the right answer to recognize a wrong answer.

I didn't ask for the right answer. I said how about any kind of suggestion. He's not being helpful, he's just being a douche.

"I didn't ask for the right answer. I said how about any kind of suggestion."

What? If the suggestion isn't a good one, it's worse than no suggestion at all, which at least won't mislead people into spending resources. Saying "I don't know the answer" is better than pretending you know the answer, if you don't.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#67

OK, so what do you propose we do instead? crickets

To avoid becoming part of the problem myself, here's my suggestion: Find one Member of Congress who's been vocally supportive of these programs, and run them out of their job. Throw down a challenge -- "we're coming for Representative X" -- then form a PAC (or piggyback on the PAC of a supportive org, like EFF or the ACLU) dedicated specifically to turning that person out of office, raise money, and use it to nail th…

Something that can be even more effective is to target congressmen who are a little on your side, but not reliably so. Those are the people you can swing to your side with the least effort. Hammer them hard.

Source: a couple long-time political operatives teaching a weekend seminar I attended a couple years ago.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#68
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to know how to cure cancer to know that poking me in the eye won't cure cancer. You don't always need the right answer to recognize a wrong answer.

I didn't ask for the right answer. I said how about any kind of suggestion. He's not being helpful, he's just being a douche.

So if you had cancer and it was suggested that to cure it you should poke yourself in the eye... you would prefer for people (who don't know how to cure cancer) to just walk on by rather than letting you know that poking yourself in the eye isn't going to help?

Sometimes the best (only) suggestion a person can give is to suggest that what you are doing is not going to work.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#69
post #50

>Not only do these tactics not accomplish anything in reality, they also distract people from making a real effort to change the world. You might say the same thing about a massive street protest. Those people are just standing in the street shouting, they're not physically acting to solve their complaints! And yet, from civil rights to overturning dictatorships, peaceful public protests have proven unsurpassed for e…

I think the author was trying to say that these online campaigns make people feel like they've contributed and therefore don't need to participate in a street protest.

While I do see the parallel you are pointing out, I think "I care so much that I spent 5 seconds to type in my email address!" and "I care so much that I gave up a whole day of my life" might be a case of a quantitative differences large enough to be qualitative.

Re: The Day We Do Nothing Of Consequence

#70
There was a guy once, in India, that freed its own country from its greedy colonizers, just by walking alone, 240 miles to the sea for 24 days, just to produce salt without paying taxes to the imperialists that seized its country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_March

If you dont want to do nothing, it's your right to do so.. but keep your cynical pessimism to yourself, by doing that, you will give a real contribution to the world.

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