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Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by xerophtye »

Oculus wrote: post #8
pedalpete wrote: post #5

The recruiter is right, it can't hurt to interview. Find out more about the company, find out if you think it would be a good fit for what you're looking for. If they offer you the job, you've got three options. 1) take it and leave your current employer 2) keep your current job and pretend you never interviewed 3) (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (yo…

I agree with everything you said except for the third option: > tell your current employer about the offer you've been made ... and see if they counter offer. That seems like it would come off as worse than taking the new job. If I was OP's current company I'd see that as 'not only did you shop around first couple weeks here, but you're now rubbing it in our faces and expecting us to reward you.'

Well, if I was the employer, i'd like my employees to come to me and tell me that they have better offers and discuss possible course of action BEFORE accepting any offers, rather than just accept the job and leave. This way if I want to make a counter offer, it gives me a chance to do it, otherwise I might admit I can't match the offer and wish him best of luck, no hard feelings.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by throwaway420 »

a3voices wrote: post #3
throwaway420 wrote: post #2

If you're very early in your career, you probably haven't learned that most companies are very disloyal even to people that show them extreme loyalty. You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there. Unless there is something about this current job that you really, really love, it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary. I would at least interview with them a…

> You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there I disagree. You don't owe your employer anything.

If you don't owe your employer anything, why should he give you any money?

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by bsder »

pedalpete wrote: post #5

The recruiter is right, it can't hurt to interview. Find out more about the company, find out if you think it would be a good fit for what you're looking for. If they offer you the job, you've got three options. 1) take it and leave your current employer 2) keep your current job and pretend you never interviewed 3) (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (yo…

> (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (you may not be allowed to give details, but you can give enough) and see if they counter offer.

Don't ever do this.

Leave or don't. If I'm your manager, the moment you expect me to counteroffer I'm planning on getting rid of you.

No offense, but you just told me, "Hey, I'm shopping around."

No offense, but that means, as a manager, I'd better start shopping around, too.

And, you want to leave a company on your own schedule rather than the company's schedule.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by brianmcc »

Oculus wrote: post #8
pedalpete wrote: post #5

The recruiter is right, it can't hurt to interview. Find out more about the company, find out if you think it would be a good fit for what you're looking for. If they offer you the job, you've got three options. 1) take it and leave your current employer 2) keep your current job and pretend you never interviewed 3) (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (yo…

I agree with everything you said except for the third option: > tell your current employer about the offer you've been made ... and see if they counter offer. That seems like it would come off as worse than taking the new job. If I was OP's current company I'd see that as 'not only did you shop around first couple weeks here, but you're now rubbing it in our faces and expecting us to reward you.'

Agree with other replies: there are ways to approach this that will cause friction, and ways that might not ("I wasn't looking, but this came along, now I have a tough decision...").

And no matter what your approach, some bosses will take it one way, others another way! And that's OK, do what's right for you, don't make your choice based on whether you get a cold reception or not.

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by lgieron »

Before leaving, I'd give my current company a chance to match the recruiter's offer. Since that is your current market value, they might prefer to just give you that raise instead of searching for another cheaper guy (who might very well repeat what you did).

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by neumann »

bsder wrote: post #14
pedalpete wrote: post #5

The recruiter is right, it can't hurt to interview. Find out more about the company, find out if you think it would be a good fit for what you're looking for. If they offer you the job, you've got three options. 1) take it and leave your current employer 2) keep your current job and pretend you never interviewed 3) (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (yo…

> (if you still are unsure about leaving) tell your current employer about the offer you've been made (you may not be allowed to give details, but you can give enough) and see if they counter offer. Don't ever do this. Leave or don't. If I'm your manager, the moment you expect me to counteroffer I'm planning on getting rid of you. No offense, but you just told me, "Hey, I'm shopping around." No offense, but that mean…

May I share with you two pieces advice my father gave that I take with me everywhere:

- Never say no - always negotiate.

- If you don't ask, the answer is no.

The reaction you shared is not particularly business savvy. Business relationships (contrary to lots of shitty analogies out there) are not like a friendship/romance.

>Leave or don't. If I'm your manager, the moment you expect me to counteroffer I'm planning on getting rid of you.

Why? What possible rational reason is this your reaction?

> No offense, but you just told me, "Hey, I'm shopping around."

Yes, they did. You just received an extra piece of information to use as a manager. Maybe this requires a re-evaluation of the current situation?

> No offense, but that means, as a manager, I'd better start shopping around, too.

Maybe or maybe not. That is one of the possible outcomes. But, it is not the only one. This is called 'jumping to conclusions'. Always negotiate. If you don't even think to ask, "is there anything that would make this person stay" then the answer is no.

> And, you want to leave a company on your own schedule rather than the company's schedule.

Of course. What wouldn't they?

Re: Ask HN: One month into dev job and I'm recruited for one with twice the salary

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Post by nmc »

throwaway420 wrote: post #2

If you're very early in your career, you probably haven't learned that most companies are very disloyal even to people that show them extreme loyalty. You owe an employer nothing other than giving 100% of your effort for your time there. Unless there is something about this current job that you really, really love, it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary. I would at least interview with them a…

> "it would be (IMO) pretty foolish to turn down double the salary"

Why is that? Is life always better with more money?

If the OP is happy with the amount of money he is already making, why should he look for ever-higher salaries?

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