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Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

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Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#1
When someone has obviously put effort into contributing to the conversation, it's rude to downvote them to negative scores. Most recently, there some major offenders here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=720779

and here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=720215

and here:

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=720569

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#2
IMO All the comments on those threads seem fairly downvoted; either for knee jerk inaccuracy, flogging a point or just generally ranting. EDIT: the FF3.5 one I might agree with - did that get edited in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=721314 I didnt see it the first time?

I think it's wrong to call it rude to downvote them......

EDIT: according to the rules comments like "why was that post downvoted" are discouraged. Just FYI.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#4
post #2

IMO All the comments on those threads seem fairly downvoted; either for knee jerk inaccuracy, flogging a point or just generally ranting. EDIT: the FF3.5 one I might agree with - did that get edited in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=721314 I didnt see it the first time? I think it's wrong to call it rude to downvote them...... EDIT: according to the rules comments like "why was that post downvoted" are discourag…

Somehow this comment seems related to the recent recursion post.

BTW, I think it's fine to complain in a new post. I guess it's annoying in the body of a long string of comments, but the entire point of the posting system is to allow group moderated discussion. If people don't like your question, they'll downvote it.

This is a much better response than ignoring idiotic behavior and/or spamming a good comment thread with whining.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#6

It would be nice if you linked to the actual comments that were down voted instead of to article pages with dozens of comments, where, presumably, the reader has to guess which comment you were referring to.

Fairly easy to scan the comments the OP is talking about -- they're light-grey with negative scores, and it's clear they've had effort put into them.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#7
post #2

IMO All the comments on those threads seem fairly downvoted; either for knee jerk inaccuracy, flogging a point or just generally ranting. EDIT: the FF3.5 one I might agree with - did that get edited in http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=721314 I didnt see it the first time? I think it's wrong to call it rude to downvote them...... EDIT: according to the rules comments like "why was that post downvoted" are discourag…

Somehow this comment seems related to the recent recursion post. BTW, I think it's fine to complain in a new post. I guess it's annoying in the body of a long string of comments, but the entire point of the posting system is to allow group moderated discussion. If people don't like your question, they'll downvote it. This is a much better response than ignoring idiotic behavior and/or spamming a good comment thread w…

> Somehow this comment seems related to the recent recursion post.

oops not intentional... Im not sure how that got in there (fail copy/paste)

> BTW, I think it's fine to complain in a new post.

Fair enough ofc. I just thought I would raise it in case people had missed the guidelines :)

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#8
post #5

Thoughtful comments that are factually wrong should be downvoted. Seriously. If your code doesn't compile, the compiler doesn't care how much effort it took you to write it...

"Thoughtful comments that are factually wrong should be downvoted."

Maybe. Maybe not. But one thing's for sure. It you think something is "factually wrong", your reply provides much more feedback than a vote.

I'd like to think that judgment based upon data is what separates hackers from posers. Let's see that data please.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#9
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow this comment seems related to the recent recursion post. BTW, I think it's fine to complain in a new post. I guess it's annoying in the body of a long string of comments, but the entire point of the posting system is to allow group moderated discussion. If people don't like your question, they'll downvote it. This is a much better response than ignoring idiotic behavior and/or spamming a good comment thread w…

> Somehow this comment seems related to the recent recursion post. oops not intentional... Im not sure how that got in there (fail copy/paste) > BTW, I think it's fine to complain in a new post. Fair enough ofc. I just thought I would raise it in case people had missed the guidelines :)

Cool. Agreed.

But just like the pirates say, it's not a code. More like guidelines.

I think that's what makes HN so frustrating sometimes to people (including myself). There is quite a bit of flex involved. For instance, I just submitted a blog entry I have on arguing which looks at religious-type arguments. It's probably over the line (perhaps not?) but I'm not completely sure, so I just threw it out there to let the community decide. Posting, to me, has a much looser set of rules/guidelines than commenting.

But that's just my interpretation of the community mores.

Re: Dear YC: Please stop downvoting thoughtful comments you disagree with.

#10
post #6

It would be nice if you linked to the actual comments that were down voted instead of to article pages with dozens of comments, where, presumably, the reader has to guess which comment you were referring to.

Fairly easy to scan the comments the OP is talking about -- they're light-grey with negative scores, and it's clear they've had effort put into them.

"Fairly easy to scan the comments the OP is talking about -- they're light-grey with negative scores, "

not necessarily true at the time of reading (vs at the time of posting) . You forget that comment scores are dynamic and even very old comments can be upvoted past zero (downvotes have a time window) and maybe no longer "light-grey with negative scores" by the time someone reads this submission and looks for the comments.

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