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Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by snowwrestler »

l33tbro wrote: post #132
williamcotton wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You, like a whole bunch of the new technocratic futurists, have almost no ability to discern fantasy from reality. What you're talking about is popularly known as science fiction. You should be writing books and not pretending like you know the first thing about politics. The reason why things take so long in reality is because there is a multitude of voices. Reddit does not promote pluralism, rather a giant circle-j…

You offer a lot of piss and vinegar, yet little insight. Please elaborate on "fantasy and reality" and "science fiction" instead of throwing up bombasitc refute. Also, parent post has no mention of Reddit. What are you actually saying here? IF you're going to barate parent comment, then you're going to have to (at the very least) back it up with a few reasons why his/her system would fail.

From the parent post:

> Think about how many great things have sprung out of places like Reddit.

To think about what is lacking in the fantasy lets start with what happens when there is no overwhelming support for anything. How does a whiz-bang networking technology solve fundamental human disagreements?

It's also worth asking if speed of execution is really the defining characteristic of a good government. Plenty of horrible governments have been able to get horrible things done quickly and efficiently.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by weseven »

takeda wrote: post #115
dbingham wrote: post #55

Decrentralizing the web's software isn't good enough. We need to decentralize the hardware. Right now, connections to the web look like a tree, where a whole bunch of connections get funneled through an ISP. That ISP has the power. The power to throttle, the power to block, the power to record. And that ISP can be pressured by other powers. We need to decentralize so that instead of looking like a hierarchical tree,…

One of solution is a different protocol: http://named-data.net/ This looks extremely interesting, basically the entire network works like a giant CDN.

Yes indeed, NDN is a serious contender for the future Internet architecture. There are still some privacy concerns (due to the ubiquitous caching), and some performance/throughput issues due to signature verification on content packets (which are all signed), but lot of research has been done on ICN and I really would love for it to be the next Internet.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by fuckpig »

wutbrodo wrote: post #131
fuckpig wrote: post #111

Let's decentralize first by removing the centralized generic resources that consume too much of the traffic, like Facebook, Wikipedia, Amazon and Google.

How do you propose "removing" Amazon, Wikipedia, et al?

I imagine there are some legal ways to do that.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by clockwerx »

zupa-hu wrote: post #173
techaddict009 wrote: post #32

Time Berners Lee : "I would have got rid of the slash slash after the colon. You don't really need it. It just seemed like a good idea at the time." When asked what he would have done differently!!

I think that was rather a joke. A good one, though.

Let me know if you'd prefer to write mailto:// or http:www.fish.com

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by lukifer »

chroem wrote: post #124
Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

BitTorrent Sync is the wrong foundation for this revolution. It should be open source from top to bottom.

Free software ; the term is free software. In other words, software that respects your freedom. Refer to this: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-software-for-freedom.htm...

This is a language battle which will never, ever be won, not even with geeks, let own real people. Invent a new term ("liberated software"), or let it go. It is this sort of ideological pedantry that holds back FOSS adoption.

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Post by admax88q »

bct wrote: post #188
admax88q wrote: post #113

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But any agreed upon public standard should be implementable by any vendor. DRM extensions do not fit this bill. If only a select few can implement it, then why call it a standard?

Only a select few can implement specific DRM modules, but nobody is talking about standardizing them. The standard (that is being proposed) in this case is an interface that the actual DRM modules hook into. Anyone can implement the interface.

The "implementation" of an interface is the code that actually does stuff when that interface is called.

In this case, the implementation of the DRM hooks are those proprietary DRM modules.

This "standard" shuts everyone except the select few in the dark. Without have the appropriate plug-in, you cannot access the content.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Post by admax88q »

MichaelGG wrote: post #117
admax88q wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure I follow. The DRM extensions are basically hooks to proprietary plugins. If the plugin decides that you didn't view the ad, then it will refuse to play to request media. Then can and will be workarounds, but thanks to lobbying those workaround are criminal in many parts of the world.

At the moment, those proprietary plugins execute inside an OS and processor you "fully" control. Nothing really stops you from flipping a jump statement. (Except being more complicated than that.) I believe that's what the poster was saying: what can force him on his own system.

Flipping a jump statement is a criminal offense in many countries now.
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