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Re: Girls and Software
#2I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News).
Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
Re: Girls and Software
#3I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News). Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
Start with a young woman who's already formed her identity.
Dump her in a situation that operates on different social
scripts than she's accustomed to, full of people talking
about a subject she doesn't yet understand. Then tell her
the community is hostile toward women and therefore doesn't
have enough of them, all while showing her off like a prize
poodle so you can feel good about recruiting a female.
This is a recipe for failure.
On the one hand the stream-of-consciousness rantyness so accurately describes what's actually going on and it's beautiful to see it written down so poignantly.
On the other hand it has a pretty strong "I got mine" component to it, where she laments the negative effects these changes have had on her personally but doesn't acknowledge that while she's in a position she likes that doesn't at all mean it is, or would be, like that for many others.
The risk here is that sexism often manifests itself as 'all good until it's not,' in that the small things are always easily brushed off and if you're lucky to run in circles where you don't experience the bad stuff you tend to think it's all way overblown... until you get to a point where something happens that can't be brushed off and you realize you aren't actually as supported as you thought you were, at which point all minor transgressions are no longer just brushed off but are rather interpreted as 'still a transgression, even if only minor.'
Re: Girls and Software
#4I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News). Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
I'm glad you reposted this. I am not sure what HN etiquette is for that. Some articles really do deserve a repost and this is one.
And yes, looks like it will take after Tasha Yar, and die repeatedly.
Re: Girls and Software
#5I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News). Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
Start with a young woman who's already formed her identity. Dump her in a situation that operates on different social scripts than she's accustomed to, full of people talking about a subject she doesn't yet understand. Then tell her the community is hostile toward women and therefore doesn't have enough of them, all while showing her off like a prize poodle so you can feel good about recruiting a female. This is a re…
Your quote is a good one, but I like this one even better:
I came to the Open Source world because I liked being part of a community where my ideas, my skills and my experience mattered, not my boobs. That's changed, and it's changed at the hands of the people who say they want a community where ideas, skills and experience matter more than boobs.
I don't at all see her failing to acknowledge that she was fortunate--she had that community, at least for a while, and she explicitly says that others who came later did not. And she makes a number of good practical suggestions for improving the situation.
Re: Girls and Software
#6I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News). Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
I'm glad you reposted this. I am not sure what HN etiquette is for that. Some articles really do deserve a repost and this is one. And yes, looks like it will take after Tasha Yar, and die repeatedly.
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Re: Girls and Software
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm glad you reposted this. I am not sure what HN etiquette is for that. Some articles really do deserve a repost and this is one. And yes, looks like it will take after Tasha Yar, and die repeatedly.
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She's a Star Trek character that died a few times.
Re: Girls and Software
#8I resubmitted this because it seems like an viewpoint that's important in the larger gender in tech conversation, but the author seems to be outside the mainstream conversation (or at lest what I see of it on Hacker News). Sadly it looks like this submission is dying an even more uneventful death than the first time it was posted.
Thanks for the repost, I haven't read this before and found it quite good.
Re: Girls and Software
#9This... sounds so very spot on. I really enjoyed the article and think it's quite excellent.
Re: Girls and Software
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Start with a young woman who's already formed her identity. Dump her in a situation that operates on different social scripts than she's accustomed to, full of people talking about a subject she doesn't yet understand. Then tell her the community is hostile toward women and therefore doesn't have enough of them, all while showing her off like a prize poodle so you can feel good about recruiting a female. This is a re…
Your quote is a good one, but I like this one even better: I came to the Open Source world because I liked being part of a community where my ideas, my skills and my experience mattered, not my boobs. That's changed, and it's changed at the hands of the people who say they want a community where ideas, skills and experience matter more than boobs. I don't at all see her failing to acknowledge that she was fortunate--…
Exactly my point. I had it pretty good...way better than newbie women today have it. I'd like us to give them the advantages I had!
Ironically, this means in many ways doing the opposite of what many of the people calling themselves feminists demand.