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Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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systemd breaks LXC and lmctfy. systemd is not event based (matter of taste, I guess, but I prefer Upstart's model).

What are you talking about? CoreOS uses docker + systemd extensively and docker is just a pretty wrapper ontop of lxc. https://coreos.com/docs/launching-containers/launching/getti...

I don't use coreos/systemd but some people run into issues like this: https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/issues/3629

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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For a fun retelling of the events (I think this only works on Firefox): http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684

That was absolutely great, and it is fascinating how the animated storytelling makes a complicated, lengthy debate so much more accessible.

I wonder if other complicated debates, especially political, could be presented in such a format, and if this would have a positive effect for informed democracy?

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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When RedHat decides to switch to DEB

And why would Reshat want to move to a clearly inferior solution? Next you'll say they want to replace the super simple kickstart with preseed. Blasphemy I say!

Clearly boh redhat and debian should switch to the even superior slackware txz.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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For a fun retelling of the events (I think this only works on Firefox): http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684

This is the second part: http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57899

Unfortunately, the second part seems to get stuck in "cross examination" and it's impossible to continue.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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To be fair he is also the Ubuntu developer and upstart maintainer on the committee

What is there to be or to not "be fair" about? mjn's comment was a value neutral statement of fact. There was nothing prejudicial in his comment.

He's referring to Steve Langasek not min.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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I have to remind everyone that the author of systemd is Lennart Poettering, the guy behind Pulseaudio. I think, this is one "feature" that should outweigh all supposed benefits of this program.

For those unfamiliar with Pulseaudio development, it's a third-generation audio subsystem (after OSS and ALSA with JACK forming two previous ones, and ESD being the beginning of the third) that is famous for overcomplicated, non-human-writable barely human-readable configuration procedure, development marred with huge number of bugs that ruined audio on Linux until recently, and suffering from immense number of internal interfaces and system being presented as a huge monolithic piece of software that can not be used in a modular manner except as modules that only talk among themselves.

systemd seems to suffer from the same problems, plus it tries to "integrate" init, udev and syslog into a single "product", with arcane internal interfaces and formats -- just as non-human-writable as Pulseaudio.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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Just my two cents as I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread: launchd is the init system used by Mac OSX and has been ported to FreeBSD a few years ago with a recent resurgent effort for improvements [1]. It has been suggested that launchd could one day be the new FreeBSD init system due to speed and feature improvements, but many FreeBSD users think that the init system is a non-issue and efforts could be better…

systemd is basically launchd for Linux (and only Linux). The systemd devs make no apology about the launchd inspiration.

IIRC, when a presentation a few years ago at Chaos Communication Congress revealed systemd security issues, Lennart Poettering argued that these issues aren't a problem because they're resolved on Solaris and will be as soon as Linux gets some additional security mechanism. That sounded to me like systemd would also (theoretically) support Solaris.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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There are no working ports of upstart to non-linux, and up until 2 months ago no-one was even trying to. It's about as portable as systemd (i.e. with a bunch of work and if you don't mind forking it).

The difference is that upstream for upstart is open to BSD/Hurd/etc. ports, whereas upstream for systemd is pretty strongly opposed to them and it does not seem they would assist in the effort.

As long as you are willing to sign the copyright license agreement, which was one of the reasons systemd was started instead of improving upstart.
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