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Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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For a fun retelling of the events (I think this only works on Firefox): http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684

That is huge though. I felt I was spending way too much time watching this and hoped it was getting to a close, while I around message 250 out of 700. (Of part 1 it seems?!)

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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post #4
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Those are the votes for systemd: https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00294.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00283.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00297.html https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00282.html For anyone wondering, 4 votes are enough because Bdale's vote (the chairman of the Technical Committee) count as two votes in case of a draw. EDIT: see…

Fwiw, the only other vote that's been cast so far, which is in the other direction (3 people haven't yet voted): https://lists.debian.org/debian-ctte/2014/02/msg00288.html

To be fair he is also the Ubuntu developer and upstart maintainer on the committee

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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post #41
post #8

For a fun retelling of the events (I think this only works on Firefox): http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684

That is huge though. I felt I was spending way too much time watching this and hoped it was getting to a close, while I around message 250 out of 700. (Of part 1 it seems?!)

Yeah, endless debate. Welcome to Debian decision-making. :-)

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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post #43
post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is huge though. I felt I was spending way too much time watching this and hoped it was getting to a close, while I around message 250 out of 700. (Of part 1 it seems?!)

Yeah, endless debate. Welcome to Debian decision-making. :-)

Well the visual way in which it's shown makes it easier to follow without knowing people by name, but also makes it take much longer to read it all. There are like 80 characters per message before you have to click continue or hit enter.

I'd say the discussion is a good/fun thing to present in this form, but abbreviated.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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post #8

For a fun retelling of the events (I think this only works on Firefox): http://aceattorney.sparklin.org/jeu.php?id_proces=57684

That is glorious. And several of the characters match very well, particularly Russ as Phoenix and Bdale as the Judge.

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

#47
post #17

Can anyone give a quick rundown of the different init systems? For the most part it can get confusing for a non day to day system administrator when I am trying to get a program to "run on boot". Between rc.local, init.d, run levels, etc. sometimes it is just frustrating.

Just my two cents as I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread:

launchd is the init system used by Mac OSX and has been ported to FreeBSD a few years ago with a recent resurgent effort for improvements [1]. It has been suggested that launchd could one day be the new FreeBSD init system due to speed and feature improvements, but many FreeBSD users think that the init system is a non-issue and efforts could be better spent elsewhere. launchd has also been criticized as to have been developed for OSX and not BSD (e.g. it depends on CoreFoundation features).

There is growing concern that applications will become more reliant on systemd and therefore Linux-only features [2], reducing or eliminating portability to the BSDs. Unfortunately, most conversations about init systems and FreeBSD degenerate into flame wars [3].

[1]: https://github.com/rtyler/openlaunchd

[2]: http://people.debian.org/~stapelberg//2013/07/13/systemd-not...

[3]: http://forums.freebsd.org/viewtopic.php?t=35770

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Upstart was created before systemd. Edit: Upstart was a great sysvinit replacement, at least during those years before systemd appeared.

upstart was always a mediocre to terrible sysv replacement. The fact it couldn't handle such insignificant programs like postfix natively speaks volumes.

When I wrote "replacement", I didn't mean that all sysv scripts must be replaced. Postfix sysv script works fine with upstart, doesn't it?

Re: Debian committee members vote for systemd as init system

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post #17

Can anyone give a quick rundown of the different init systems? For the most part it can get confusing for a non day to day system administrator when I am trying to get a program to "run on boot". Between rc.local, init.d, run levels, etc. sometimes it is just frustrating.

See the pages for each init system linked to from https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem
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