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Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by mlvljr »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #135
mlvljr wrote: post #134

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Gay pride in Moscow? You must be nuts, honestly :) Neither do we want it here, nor feel the necessity to allow, either practically, or legislatively, period. As for the alleged atrocities happening to those against whom the law is aimed, let's read the paper linked.

You have no right to stop it. And your lack of "want" is disgusting homophobia.

No, we have every right to decide for ourselves and our children here :)

(also, no phobia, but given your language, well -- disgust you back, to say so)

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by Crito »

mkr-hn wrote: post #139
Crito wrote: post #131

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes Fucking hell, the countries are even the same here...

Could Yandex get away with this?

The Russian search engine? I'm not sure what you mean.

My comment references a Russian propaganda technique of brushing off human rights violation accusations by saying "Yeah well, the US is shitty", as though that excuses them. I suppose Yandex could in theory be used to distribute this form of propaganda, I don't really know much about them.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by mkr-hn »

Crito wrote: post #142
mkr-hn wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could Yandex get away with this?

The Russian search engine? I'm not sure what you mean. My comment references a Russian propaganda technique of brushing off human rights violation accusations by saying "Yeah well, the US is shitty" , as though that excuses them. I suppose Yandex could in theory be used to distribute this form of propaganda, I don't really know much about them.

I misunderstood your intent.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by JulianMorrison »

mlvljr wrote: post #141
JulianMorrison wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have no right to stop it. And your lack of "want" is disgusting homophobia.

No, we have every right to decide for ourselves and our children here :) (also, no phobia, but given your language, well -- disgust you back, to say so)

For yourself, yes.

For the other people who might be gay, and for the children who might be gay (at least 1% of them even at maximum oppression, and much more in an accepting society), no. You have no right to interfere, to force your unscientific and bigoted ideas on them, or to harm, oppress or imprison them. Your law is wrong. Your culture is wrong. Stop.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by Lazare »

mlvljr wrote: post #134
Lazare wrote: post #129

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You're getting a lot of downvotes, but I see most people aren't bothering to explain your error to you. Let me help: We're concerned with the amount of oppression actually occurring in Russia, and with the actual life of actual gay men and women in Russia. Your comments and links focus on the laws, but it is very possible to pass a wonderful sounding law and then ignore it in practice. In fact, Russia's predecessor,…

Gay pride in Moscow? You must be nuts, honestly :) Neither do we want it here, nor feel the necessity to allow, either practically, or legislatively, period. As for the alleged atrocities happening to those against whom the law is aimed, let's read the paper linked.

Thank you for proving my point, and debunking osipov's, so clearly. :)

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by Lazare »

devilshaircut wrote: post #101
pyrocat wrote: post #100

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LGB at least. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BKgdvjmFK4c/TwN5PxXVH1I/AAAAAAAAAr...

Just LG I think many people would say, actually. I've come to the point where I think the acronym is silly. I think right now we are up to "LGBTQIAPK". I may be a little out of date on that. The fact is, some of the issues between the groups in the acronym are shared and some aren't. At one point in time, banding together for them was probably useful if not necessary. Today I think each group would be better going it…

Actually, the latest version is just "GSM" (Gender and Sexual Minorities), because the practice of just adding more and more minorities to a long list is silly. The more you list, the more exclusionary it is to the ones you leave off, and yet something like LGBTQIAPK is a acronym-salad so extreme as to be self parodying.

Just say GSM at leave it at that; it includes every minority group from the LGBTQIAPK by definition, and all the others we might think up in the future.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by mlvljr »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #144
mlvljr wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, we have every right to decide for ourselves and our children here :) (also, no phobia, but given your language, well -- disgust you back, to say so)

For yourself, yes. For the other people who might be gay, and for the children who might be gay (at least 1% of them even at maximum oppression, and much more in an accepting society), no. You have no right to interfere, to force your unscientific and bigoted ideas on them, or to harm, oppress or imprison them. Your law is wrong. Your culture is wrong. Stop.

I already made myself quite explicit here, I think -- the rules governing the situation, and the where it actually goes (whether it is legal to promote being gay or to have six wifes, etc.) is a matter of collective choice -- which the overwhelming majority here has made long ago, and which is now formalized by the law.

And exactly matching your point on the colorful percentage varying depending on the established attitude, we plain prefer our future to remain 99% hetero (and not, say, become 80%), that simple :)

Speaking of culture, mine, I believe, is, sadly, better than yours (again, bigot you back!), as is my understanding of what is actually happening here.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by eropple »

mlvljr wrote: post #147
JulianMorrison wrote: post #144

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For yourself, yes. For the other people who might be gay, and for the children who might be gay (at least 1% of them even at maximum oppression, and much more in an accepting society), no. You have no right to interfere, to force your unscientific and bigoted ideas on them, or to harm, oppress or imprison them. Your law is wrong. Your culture is wrong. Stop.

I already made myself quite explicit here, I think -- the rules governing the situation, and the where it actually goes (whether it is legal to promote being gay or to have six wifes, etc.) is a matter of collective choice -- which the overwhelming majority here has made long ago, and which is now formalized by the law. And exactly matching your point on the colorful percentage varying depending on the established at…

A culture that oppresses people because of their genetic makeup is literally never better.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by mlvljr »

eropple wrote: post #148
mlvljr wrote: post #147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I already made myself quite explicit here, I think -- the rules governing the situation, and the where it actually goes (whether it is legal to promote being gay or to have six wifes, etc.) is a matter of collective choice -- which the overwhelming majority here has made long ago, and which is now formalized by the law. And exactly matching your point on the colorful percentage varying depending on the established at…

A culture that oppresses people because of their genetic makeup is literally never better .

No one speaks of oppression here -- those genetically different should possess all the usual rights (and even public sympathy to the complications their relative loneliness brings, not hatred).

Rights, but not the means to "convert" others in a long-term -- as where the society as a whole goes is a holistic choice, with the voices of 1% playing roughly proportional role.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by mlvljr »

Lazare wrote: post #145
mlvljr wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gay pride in Moscow? You must be nuts, honestly :) Neither do we want it here, nor feel the necessity to allow, either practically, or legislatively, period. As for the alleged atrocities happening to those against whom the law is aimed, let's read the paper linked.

Thank you for proving my point, and debunking osipov's, so clearly. :)

You're both welcome:)
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