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Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Given the support Google has from the tech community, I don't see much movement on this in the near future.

given the years of covert actions slowly coming to light, this is changing. I'm not just talking about relationships with 3-letter agencies but also actions like colluding to push down developer salaries, black-boxing their search algorithms, suddenly blacklisting competitors in their search rankings (e.g. Rap Genius), WiFi and Streeview privacy invasion, etc... How many times have they already faced Antitrust accusa…

A lot of that is a tempest in a teapot. Rap Genius was blacklisted for good reasons, they were clearly gaming the system using blackhat SEO techniques.

Antitrust accusations? You mean those funded by Microsoft astroturf lobbying groups?

And just listen to your other complaint: Google is the face of rich privileged techies, and at the same time, their uncool for theoretically pushing down salaries, and these already hated SF techies should be showered with even more money? If you look at the publicly released transcripts, Steve Jobs was the ringleader of this effort anyway and threatened to "go to war" with some of the players if they poached Apple employees. Why isn't Apple facing similar outrage over this? Steve Jobs tried to price fix engineering salaries and price fix eBooks.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Yes let's. Standardizing DRM extensions is bullshit. No new browser can ever be standards compliant when being compliant requires having the appropriate binary blob as distributed by the approved parties.

If "standards compliant" means implementing every feature then no new (or existing) browser will ever be standards complaint anyways. This is not a lever that can be used to force everyone to implement DRM.

But any agreed upon public standard should be implementable by any vendor. DRM extensions do not fit this bill.

If only a select few can implement it, then why call it a standard?

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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DRM can force you to do whatever you want. It's proprietary code running on your system. If you want to view the content, it will ensure that you've seen the ad before it renders the content.

The "on your system" part is what prevents this from happening. However, with features like remote attestation, a DRM platform could be built. If users start accepting PCs locked down like tablets, then this might be an issue.

I'm not sure I follow. The DRM extensions are basically hooks to proprietary plugins. If the plugin decides that you didn't view the ad, then it will refuse to play to request media.

Then can and will be workarounds, but thanks to lobbying those workaround are criminal in many parts of the world.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Decrentralizing the web's software isn't good enough. We need to decentralize the hardware. Right now, connections to the web look like a tree, where a whole bunch of connections get funneled through an ISP. That ISP has the power. The power to throttle, the power to block, the power to record. And that ISP can be pressured by other powers. We need to decentralize so that instead of looking like a hierarchical tree,…

One of solution is a different protocol: http://named-data.net/

This looks extremely interesting, basically the entire network works like a giant CDN.

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Flash and Silverlight are dying anyway. So it's up to the movie industry and not up to us to bend over. And you know at least Flash was separated from the browser and ported to several systems. DRM in HTML5 will mean that Google, Apple, Microsoft will simply bundle their DRM modules and the free software world can fuck off. DRM in HTML5 is far worse than the status quo.

I don't share completely your assertions. In order for commercial companies to be able to use html5, they need some form of drm. This is just enabling them to do business. I believe that free and open, given some semblance of equal playing field will always win. Just to be clear, if they came and say, no drm in html, I would stand behind that as well. I just accept their judgement that this was necessary at the momen…

They don't need DRM. DRM does not work. Just go to pirate bay and you'll find every TV series, movie (with DVD/BluRay/Stream release), album immediately after their release. They think they need DRM. But in reality they don't. It doesn't stop piracy at all. It's a burden only to their legal customers and not to the pirates. It is all about easy and affordable access.

If a company insists on using DRM then they should simply create their own proprietary plugin like Flash. But there is absolutely no reason for us to destroy the open web and make it rely on proprietary binary modules.

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The "on your system" part is what prevents this from happening. However, with features like remote attestation, a DRM platform could be built. If users start accepting PCs locked down like tablets, then this might be an issue.

I'm not sure I follow. The DRM extensions are basically hooks to proprietary plugins. If the plugin decides that you didn't view the ad, then it will refuse to play to request media. Then can and will be workarounds, but thanks to lobbying those workaround are criminal in many parts of the world.

At the moment, those proprietary plugins execute inside an OS and processor you "fully" control. Nothing really stops you from flipping a jump statement. (Except being more complicated than that.) I believe that's what the poster was saying: what can force him on his own system.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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Perfect timing, I just released a tool that enabled a more decentralized web. It used BitTorrent Sync to distribute files and I plan on implementing namecoin or colored coins for name resolution. As soon as an open source, stable btsync clone is released I plan on swapping it in. The biggest drawback is that you can only serve static content, although I think many websites today would be fine with this restriction. Y…

BitTorrent Sync is the wrong foundation for this revolution. It should be open source from top to bottom.

Re: Tim Berners-Lee: We need to re-decentralise the web

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I don't share completely your assertions. In order for commercial companies to be able to use html5, they need some form of drm. This is just enabling them to do business. I believe that free and open, given some semblance of equal playing field will always win. Just to be clear, if they came and say, no drm in html, I would stand behind that as well. I just accept their judgement that this was necessary at the momen…

They don't need DRM. DRM does not work. Just go to pirate bay and you'll find every TV series, movie (with DVD/BluRay/Stream release), album immediately after their release. They think they need DRM. But in reality they don't. It doesn't stop piracy at all. It's a burden only to their legal customers and not to the pirates. It is all about easy and affordable access. If a company insists on using DRM then they should…

And I agree with you completely. But they believe that they need it and will not release content otherwise.
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