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Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by boyter »

seivan wrote: post #46
boyter wrote: post #5

The LGBT Russia thing is totally blown out of proportion. http://www.scribd.com/doc/203382931/Russian-Lgbt-Law-White-P... Before you decide to down-vote me into oblivion and accuse me of hating minority groups please read the white paper linked above. Note I am not affiliated with the person who wrote it or scribd. I just want people to see both sides of the argument. EDIT - And what a surprise down-voted. Seriously…

Did you really not expected to get down voted for being completely ignorant about the problems there? You might want to do some reading up - starting with this 5 series VICE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZ_aSl3ktjg

I expected to get voted down. Not because what I posted didn't add value, but because this is the sort of topic I avoid in day to day conversation because it causes fights. There is too much emotion involved.

I am not saying there are not problems. I am saying that the media coverage of it is overblown, and because of that any rational thought or discussion about it is impossible. I provided a link to a document which as I pointed out elsewhere is well written, researched, provides citations and has some reasonable conclusions.

I understand it is hard to remove emotion from this sort of topics, in much the same way that discussions on climate change rapidly spiral out of control.

I had hoped that HN was beyond being a vote brigade and that posting it would produce some reasonable discussion on the topic.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by [deleted] »

nav1 wrote: post #48
[deleted] wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Why is that a problem? If they want to send a message to a lot of people, their front page would be the best place, wouldn't it? God forbid you get a little bit of human rights activism with your search results...

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Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by spaceborn »

devilshaircut wrote: post #30
boyter wrote: post #5

The LGBT Russia thing is totally blown out of proportion. http://www.scribd.com/doc/203382931/Russian-Lgbt-Law-White-P... Before you decide to down-vote me into oblivion and accuse me of hating minority groups please read the white paper linked above. Note I am not affiliated with the person who wrote it or scribd. I just want people to see both sides of the argument. EDIT - And what a surprise down-voted. Seriously…

"Both sides of the argument." That Russia has a reasonable political platform regarding its LGBT citizens? I am not sure that it is possible to 'blow out of proportion' what is most certainly a human rights issue. This was your own assertion, not that of the paper's. The topic was the Google Doodle showing support for LGBT people and your first impulse is to imply that the situation in Russia is in fact a non-issue.…

> That Russia has a reasonable political platform regarding its LGBT citizens?

Are you saying that this position can simply be disregarded out of hand? That strikes me as disrespectful and self-important. If nothing else it is non-conducive to any actual discussion on the matter - unless all you want is an echo chamber to reaffirm your preexisting positions on the matter.

> The topic was the Google Doodle showing support for LGBT people

Specifically in relation to the LGBT issues surrounding the Olympics, i.e., Russia's "anti-gay" laws. The Russian laws are very much a part of this topic. You're being disingenuous.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by boyter »

devilshaircut wrote: post #42
boyter wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't say it was a non-issue. I said it was overblown. The current media coverage of the issue is overblown. I belive I am being down-voted because this is a sensitive issue. Anyone suggesting that perhaps its not as bad as it seems is instantly shouted down. Please, please, please read the linked white paper. It is well researched, well written and provides citations and sources to its conclusions. It is also wri…

I have no comment about the paper itself. You were bemoaning being downvoted, and I explained why. I was commenting on the context which you provided inside of your original comment. If you actually don't care or don't wonder why such a comment would be downvoted, then disregard my post(s).

I was complaining about being down-voted over what was obviously an emotional response to a sensitive topic since it was so swift. I think that is a reasonable thing to complain about.

I expected to be down-voted. I was also hoping that there would be enough people around with an objective point of view to read the paper and provide solid cited counter arguments.

I hold no stake in this. I am neither Russian or part of the LGBT community. I am interested in human rights, and I want equal opportunities for all regardless of race, sexual orientation, gender or otherwise. Torch and pitchfork attacks are not the way to achieve this.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by smadge »

[deleted] wrote: post #25
rollo wrote: post #23

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Companies have social responsibilities. Supporting human rights is a positive thing.

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Every google doodle is telling you google's stance on something. Google's doodle of MLK the other week told you their stance on black rights. How is this any different, except for the fact that gay rights make you uncomfortable?

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by devilshaircut »

[deleted] wrote: post #43
devilshaircut wrote: post #34

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It is discussed by people on 'political' tv != it is political. You can politicize anything you want. But there is nothing inherently political about showing support for an LGBT human being. 'What neoconservatives want to make political issues of' is an entirely different matter.

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This is a ludicrous rationale.

The moment something is merely mentioned in a law, it is henceforth to be considered under the header of "political topic"? Why? Because some political strategist (or worse, lobbyist) told you it was worth legislating for or against?

Your position can be summed up as "It is okay for Google to make Google Doodles about person X until whatever person X worked on became politicized".

Why was it okay for them to make a doodle about Simone de Beauvoir but not about your fellow LGBT human beings? This is the straw that broke the camel's back for you? Really?

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by magicalist »

[deleted] wrote: post #51
vectorpush wrote: post #44

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It doesn't affect your ability to search in any capacity, it's a picture of Google's logo in rainbow colors man.

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Google has been doing doodles for 15 years, since at least burning man in 1998. I would have thought most people would be over it by now.

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by cromwellian »

[deleted] wrote: post #51
vectorpush wrote: post #44

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It doesn't affect your ability to search in any capacity, it's a picture of Google's logo in rainbow colors man.

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Google has always shown doodles for most of it's history, and it has often had a 1 or 2 line subtitle for certain special events, emergencies, or holidays. Egads man! It's taking up approximately the same physical space it always had, comparing this to Yahoo's portal is ridiculous.

Also, if you use the Omnibox or other search boxes in the browser, you don't even see it. You only see this if you visit www.google.com

Re: Google shows support for LGBT Olympians

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Post by nav1 »

[deleted] wrote: post #62
nav1 wrote: post #48

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Why is that a problem? If they want to send a message to a lot of people, their front page would be the best place, wouldn't it? God forbid you get a little bit of human rights activism with your search results...

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There's a big difference between sending messages to text editor users and a logo on a website. Note that the logo is always there; it's just a little different this time.
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