Just curious. Suppose you did your due diligence, asked your general counsel, and they said, "It's within the law, go for it." Then, acting on their advice, you did the same thing this person did. Would you go to jail for the same amount of time in both cases? E: Name removed to protect the accused, although it's thin protection indeed considering her name is disclosed elsewhere in this thread.
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#82Earlier quoted context omitted.
As this was intended for his book, I assume he wanted to extend her some common courtesy. He makes it clear that she was well liked and, in his opinion, had made mistakes, not committed fraud intentionally. Despite the matter being very public, I think it's reasonable, even kind, not to mention her actual name in this context in his book.
Also eliminates any libel lawsuits if the subject decides what occurred wasn't 100% as-described in the book.
Made up example:
"I once met a president of the USA, he was called Carrick O'Barmy [name changed to protect the innocent] he was snorting crack of a toilet seat at the time" ... doesn't look like it would if printed as a truth, but was really a lie, mean I would get off scott-free unless the context was clearly parody (or as here labelled as a fiction).
IANAL of course, nor even a USA citizen.
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#83"Michelle had no intention of breaking any laws and no idea that she’d broken any laws. [...] Once the SEC decided that most technology company stock option procedures were not as desired, the jail sentences were handed out arbitrarily. " I find this quite disturbing. Especially the second part.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
Much of what a GC will do in a Silicon Valley company is support the CFO in ensuring legal compliance for finance and accounting. In this context, it can make sense for the GC to report to the CFO. In another sort of company where the legal issues might be more diverse, say a place like Wal-Mart that has complex labor and environmental issues in addition to the financial issues, this structure would be less appropria…
Much of what a GC will do in a Silicon Valley company is support the CFO in ensuring legal compliance for finance and accounting. In this context, it can make sense for the GC to report to the CFO. I'd say the exact opposite. If the GC is spending most of his time making sure that the CFO isn't doing anything illegal, the GC needs to report to anyone other than the CFO.
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#85A relevant litigation release: http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2009/lr20964.htm And a description of the practice in question: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Options_backdating
From reading the first release, it sounds like the penalties imposed was for more than just the stock options thing described by Horowitz. It also describes fraudulent disclosures about backlog of sales and structuring fraudulent loans. So it's not necessarily the case that Horowitz would have had to serve jail time if he had gone along with his cfo's proposal (although he would likely have had to pay back his gains…
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#86First, when we started the company, Marc and I agreed that the company’s General Counsel would always report directly to me. This is different than in many technology companies where the General Counsel reports to the Chief Financial Officer. This needs to be in bold 72-point font. Corporate behaviour aligns with corporate structure, and if the General Counsel is subordinate to the Chief Financial Officer, complying…
I bit OT, but I saw something similar once where the head of QA reported to the director of development. So the guy in charge of QA's annual raise/bonus/etc was himself compensated based on hitting release deadlines. I wonder how people here would have set that up differently.
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#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
The premise that the author would've landed in jail for implementing the backdating scheme is flawed. His CFO went to jail, but because in the process of choosing favorable dates for backdating her stock options, she ended up deliberately misstating her income for certain years on her tax returns. By and large, people do not go to jail for simply picking the wrong plausible interpretation of tax or accounting law. Th…
I'm not sure why it matters that much which day options were granted on that it is worth putting people in jail for. The company has right to compensate their workers any way they like. Including giving options for free or for any price they see fit, and doing that any day at any time. Of course, our tax code being as weird and byzantine as it is, that may mean that some ways of giving options may end up in people pa…
Basically, she said on her tax return that she had exercised her options on April 4, 2001, when not only had she not done that, but she hadn't yet met the requirements for being able to exercise her options at that time. This is not being burned by some esoteric rule where she checked Box A when she should've checked Box B. She filed a tax return that said something happened on a certain date that not only didn't happen on that date, but couldn't happen on that date.
That's why Horowitz's premise is false. He wouldn't have gone to jail for implementing the same backdating scheme. Tons of companies did it, very few went to jail, and those who did went to jail because they let the backdating fiction cause them to either lie on their tax returns or commit affirmative fraud on investors.
Also: to make a more general point--companies are entitled to compensate executives in whatever manner the shareholders will tolerate, but public companies aren't entitled to be deceptive about it. That was the problem with backdating: while the process itself was legal from an accounting standpoint, the fact that it was built on a fiction made it easy to cross the line into outright deception. The wikipedia article actually has a great sentence that captures the whole situation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Options_backdating ("To be legal, backdating must be clearly communicated to the company shareholders, properly reflected in earnings, and properly reflected in tax calculations.")
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a big difference between going to your general counsel and asking "Is this legal?" and going to your accountants and saying "Find me a way to make this legal enough." I think the options-backdating was an example of the latter.
In the case described in the story, I don't see any signs of the former. The CFO proposes certain practice, it is not obviously illegal (like not paying taxes or stealing office supplies from competitors at night), hundreds of companies do it, hundreds of lawyers approve it. If the CEO asks the council if it's OK and the council says yes, like hundreds others did, he goes to jail. If he's lucky and the council says n…
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#90First, when we started the company, Marc and I agreed that the company’s General Counsel would always report directly to me. This is different than in many technology companies where the General Counsel reports to the Chief Financial Officer. This needs to be in bold 72-point font. Corporate behaviour aligns with corporate structure, and if the General Counsel is subordinate to the Chief Financial Officer, complying…