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Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by hammad999 »

I'm an Indian, recently graduated from Bangalore and I cannot agree more with this post. I am fortunate enough to realize what to do in life and not follow the herd as almost every engineer does in India.

From among 60 electronics & communication engineers who graduated with me 40 are working for Infosys and wipro in IT departments! Why study Electronics if you want to end up coding? It's not like one thinks what she wants it's more like 'I just want to end up employed'. There is no question of passion. Students are forced to take up engineering or medicine. Parents don't give a fuck about the child's talents and all they care is his grades. It's sad and this should change.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by disputin »

ibrow wrote: post #80
disputin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Much like as has been mentioned of Olympic athletes, the local sports team is rarely local. The players are from everywhere except the locality. The only things local are the stadium and the fans. St Paddy's is fun, but I don't understand the ball game cultures at all, laying claim to a team's victory, a sort of socialising a stranger's success. Maybe just an excuse to celebrate on occasion. I simply can't relate. I…

Think you're over egging the pudding there. Was simply responding to the question "Ireland won anything lately?"

Wasn't aimed at you, just this branch. Respond away. :)

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by Killah911 »

Demiurge wrote: post #91
Killah911 wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic you should should really love the hospital you were born in. After all, it was more involved in bringing you into the world than the ground it was built upon. The whole notion of "my country" is really interesting... If you were swiss, but born and raised in India, does India become "your country" or not? The media in Subcontinent area feeds loads of BS about nationalism to the point that you start to b…

I'm talking about people, not just the physical place. The Hospital, or a barn, are inanimate objects. They did not make any decisions about the process any more than air and water decided to flow through your system. You can thank nurses, but the act of being born, although crucial, isn't as laborious as carrying to term and not sleeping every night for a year. If you were born in England, and raised in India, you d…

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Allegiances to people, you community Nurses makes sense. But to a random border which you were not a part of creating does not

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by Domenic_S »

pessimizer wrote: post #70
nathan_long wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A great analogy. I love my family because they are my family, and I love my country because it is my country. That doesn't mean I should think that either is objectively the best, or turn a blind eye to their faults, or treat others unfairly to favor them. I love my family and country because they are mine, they helped make me, and my memories are with them. Which helps me understand why Brits and Egyptians and Chine…

I feel the opposite way. I love my mother because she's objectively ranks as nearly the best mother I could have had, and I love my siblings and aunts, grandparents and great-grandparents because they are objectively the best looking, most intelligent, and most dependable people I could have had in my life. It's the same way I feel about my friends, who frequently remind me that I'm one of the luckiest people in the…

> I love my mother because she's objectively ranks as nearly the best mother I could have had

"Objective" and "parenting". That's cute.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by Demiurge »

Killah911 wrote: post #133
Demiurge wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm talking about people, not just the physical place. The Hospital, or a barn, are inanimate objects. They did not make any decisions about the process any more than air and water decided to flow through your system. You can thank nurses, but the act of being born, although crucial, isn't as laborious as carrying to term and not sleeping every night for a year. If you were born in England, and raised in India, you d…

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Allegiances to people, you community Nurses makes sense. But to a random border which you were not a part of creating does not

Borders and territories are not random though, they confine the community and people. A country is combination of both.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by nightski »

VexXtreme wrote: post #54
shrikant wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I strongly agree with this. Nationalist pride is the Kool-Aid peddled by government and society to get you to conform to their respective agendas and keep you from questioning the stupid shit they get up to. And I really don't mean to come off as a pothead going "It's all a giant conspiracy man!"...

Seconded. Nationalism is just outdated tribalism that requires you to put your societal overlords' agendas above your own. When they call for you to go to war and kill your brothers and sisters from different places, you do it. When they ask you to give them the fruits of your labor so they can fund their war games and send your children to die in trenches while shifting wealth from the poor to the already wealthy, y…

An artificial divide eh? If it wasn't for nationalism everyone would hug and be friends? I think nationalism is more of an effect than a cause.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by shortsightedsid »

vagarwa wrote: post #130
thinkpad20 wrote: post #60

I see a lot of parallels here with the Japanese system. Similarly, the system seems to encourage conformism and rote learning over disruptive ideas and innovation. Similarly, their top universities have phenomenally competitive admissions, even though they are not ranked particularly high internationally. Similarly, many of their systems are characterized by endless paperwork and bureaucracy. Of course, there are cer…

My view - The biggest difference is the underlying system (law, bureaucracy and even infrastructure)still being used in India is the one built to extract and export resources out as efficiently as possible. That's the legacy of 150 years of colonialism and Indians simply have never been able to do the challenging work (various reasons) of changing these but for a few word changes here and there. This is most stark in…

Don't quite agree; it's time we stop putting the colonial legacy as a reason. The reason? It's been 65 years since colonialism ended and that's enough time to fix things. A lot of things have been fixed too but the real problem is a huge population. It's trivial to fix things for 1 million people compared to the 1.2 billion people and that's the real problem; not colonial legacy.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by shortsightedsid »

amaks wrote: post #126

>> While Indian newspapers were over the moon about Nadella’s elevation, with some justification, there is another side to the story we need to consider: why is it that India’s tech and other geniuses flower only in the US or Silicon Valley? The assignment of Nadella to CEO role appears to be a very smart move from Microsoft board for many reasons: 1) He's not involved into scandalous business decisions as Elop 2) He…

I seriously doubt #5 has anything to do with it. Considering that he has been in the U.S his entire Adult life (i.e old enough to make his own choices), one can characterize him as American rather than Indian.

Re: Nadella as Microsoft CEO: A slap in the face for Indian system

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Post by medius »

mhurron wrote: post #3

“We are all human beings, and our nationality is simply an accident of birth.” This is my position on the Olympics and basically all national pride. It has nothing to do with anything, there is nothing to be proud of. No one cares when I think it, it's nice to see others say it.

I feel the same way about patriotism. It is a sentiment that has served its purpose and it's time to move on.
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