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Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by majestic217 »

coldtea wrote: post #30

"Making simple software and charging heaps because we are hip and edgy..." Every time I see things such as these I think: 20-something, doesn't understand money ($20/month seems "too much"), doesn't understand business, not much sense of humor either, mostly pissed about other being succesful... The kind of people who write M$ with a dollar sign.

I think it is suggesting that 37signals' software can be easily replaced by free alternatives (look at the links): google (gmail/calendar, etc.) accounts, skype, yammer, trello.

Based on the date the link was submitted to reddit was done around the same time as the Curebit fiasco. I like 37Signals but admittedly they did behave like arrogant aholes during it. Not something I'd expect from such well respected members of the tech community. The bit where DHH tweets their investors is what does it for me.

http://venturebeat.com/2012/01/28/cant-look-away/

http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/01/31/this-site-mocks-37-...

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by asdasf »

coldtea wrote: post #33
anon1385 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They make good products Do they? That isn't my experience. >treat […] their […] customers well Do they? That isn't my experience.

Isn't it? You don't seem to previde any specifics. Plus, whether it's your experience or not is irrelevant. The general consensus is that they do both. You won't find many people in the industry believing otherwise, not many unsatisfied customers in their forums.

>The general consensus is that they do both

Your claim is just as baseless as the one you are responding to, which was pointing out how baseless the original claim "they make good software" was.

>not many unsatisfied customers in their forums.

They heavily censor their forums. I know lots of former customers of theirs who were more than just unsatisfied with them.

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by nswanberg »

coldtea wrote: post #30

"Making simple software and charging heaps because we are hip and edgy..." Every time I see things such as these I think: 20-something, doesn't understand money ($20/month seems "too much"), doesn't understand business, not much sense of humor either, mostly pissed about other being succesful... The kind of people who write M$ with a dollar sign.

That's the line that threw me off too. "Hip and edgy" is an amateur-hour schoolyard taunt. "Making simple software and charging heaps" would have been enough and kind of funny.

And the meanness made me overlook the funny bits like the subheader about less and more, and some of the sections, the quote by Ghandi, and the completely gratuitous "Happy Wednesday" way up in the corner that changes, depending on the day (http://stackoverflow.com/questions/19865106/how-does-37signa...).

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by asdasf »

coldtea wrote: post #30

"Making simple software and charging heaps because we are hip and edgy..." Every time I see things such as these I think: 20-something, doesn't understand money ($20/month seems "too much"), doesn't understand business, not much sense of humor either, mostly pissed about other being succesful... The kind of people who write M$ with a dollar sign.

Why are you bragging about making a bunch of uninformed, knee-jerk assumptions about someone you know nothing about? And why is this trash the top comment? Whether or not $20/month is too much does not depend on whether you have $20 to spend or not, it depends on the value you get from that $20. Products with very little value, and which have $0 alternatives that provide more value are not worth $20.

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by coldtea »

asdasf wrote: post #42
coldtea wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't it? You don't seem to previde any specifics. Plus, whether it's your experience or not is irrelevant. The general consensus is that they do both. You won't find many people in the industry believing otherwise, not many unsatisfied customers in their forums.

>The general consensus is that they do both Your claim is just as baseless as the one you are responding to, which was pointing out how baseless the original claim "they make good software" was. >not many unsatisfied customers in their forums. They heavily censor their forums. I know lots of former customers of theirs who were more than just unsatisfied with them.

>Your claim is just as baseless as the one you are responding to, which was pointing out how baseless the original claim "they make good software" was.

Judging from the fact that their service has good reviews in major media and millions of users, it doesn't sound anywhere near as baseless.

>They heavily censor their forums.

Any examples? Surely those mythical people know how to save a screenshot, right?

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by run4_too »

asdasf wrote: post #44
coldtea wrote: post #30

"Making simple software and charging heaps because we are hip and edgy..." Every time I see things such as these I think: 20-something, doesn't understand money ($20/month seems "too much"), doesn't understand business, not much sense of humor either, mostly pissed about other being succesful... The kind of people who write M$ with a dollar sign.

Why are you bragging about making a bunch of uninformed, knee-jerk assumptions about someone you know nothing about? And why is this trash the top comment? Whether or not $20/month is too much does not depend on whether you have $20 to spend or not, it depends on the value you get from that $20. Products with very little value, and which have $0 alternatives that provide more value are not worth $20.

Made by some concerned youths

I don't think he's too far off.

Point being getting so pissed to make an entire website about a company you don't like says more about you than it does the company.

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by asdasf »

AnotherDesigner wrote: post #9

That's not funny or educational or even interesting. It looks like jealousy or unfounded hate. I can't really think of anything 37signals has done to warrant this. They make good products and treat both their employees and customers well. Am I missing something?

>That's not funny or educational or even interesting.

Two of those are subjective and I'll ignore. But it is educational, it links to alternatives to 37 signals products.

>I can't really think of anything 37signals has done to warrant this

The company and its reputation was built on aggressively bad-mouthing and trash-talking anyone and everyone they could. Remember when rails started out? Anyone who dared to like something other than their framework was an idiot (at best).

Re: 67 Signals hasn't changed a thing

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Post by asdasf »

coldtea wrote: post #45
asdasf wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The general consensus is that they do both Your claim is just as baseless as the one you are responding to, which was pointing out how baseless the original claim "they make good software" was. >not many unsatisfied customers in their forums. They heavily censor their forums. I know lots of former customers of theirs who were more than just unsatisfied with them.

> Your claim is just as baseless as the one you are responding to, which was pointing out how baseless the original claim "they make good software" was. Judging from the fact that their service has good reviews in major media and millions of users, it doesn't sound anywhere near as baseless. > They heavily censor their forums. Any examples? Surely those mythical people know how to save a screenshot, right?

>Judging from the fact that their service has good reviews in major media and millions of users

They have no reviews in major media. They have both good and bad reviews in minor media. The "millions of users" claim is not supported at all.

>Any examples? Surely those mythical people know how to save a screenshot, right?

Yes, I happen to collect screenshots of things that are well known every time anyone talks to me about anything just in case some random redditard wants proof that the sky is blue.

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